Replacing a $3000/mo Heroku bill with a $55/mo server

The cloud has made people forget how far you can get with a single machine.

Hosting staging envs in pricey cloud envs seems crazy to me but I understand why you would want to because modern clouds can have a lot of moving parts.

The cloud has made people afraid of linux servers. The markup is essentially just the price business has to pay because of developer insecurity. The irony is that self hosting is relatively simple, and alot of fun. Personally never got the appeal of Heroku, Vercel and similar, because theres nothing better than spinning up a server and setting it up from scratch. Every developer should try it.

> The irony is that self hosting is relatively simple, and alot of fun. Personally never got the appeal of Heroku, Vercel and similar, because theres nothing better than spinning up a server and setting it up from scratch.

It's fun the first time, but becomes an annoying faff when it has to be repeated constantly.

In Heroku, Vercel and similar you git push and you're running. On a linux server you set up the OS, the server authentication, the application itself, the systemctl jobs, the reverse proxy, the code deployment, the ssl key management, the monitoring etc etc.

I still do prefer a linux server due to the flexibility, but the UX could be a lot better.

Can you please edit out swipes, putdowns, name-calling, etc., from your HN posts? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

I can't help it that humanity is so stupid.

That's true, but you can stop posting to HN from that place.

Edit: I feel like I should give you a more fulsome response, so here goes:

I understand the frustration. I feel it too, even apart from HN making me feel it as part of my job. But I've had to learn some lessons about this, such as:

1. It doesn't help to assume the position of the-one-who-is-not-stupid. Doing that is supercilious and just means you'll contribute to making things worse.

2. Far better is to accept that, as one is human, one shares in all the qualities of being human, including a full complement of stupidity.

3. I forget the third lesson!

Regarding 2., I am not stupid; I might be ignorant in some fields, but do you see me arguing against a world expert in some field I know nothing about?

Stupid people ruin everything.