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French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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375 points begueradj | 1 comments | 22 Oct 25 05:49 UTC | HN request time: 0.211s | source
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yard2010 ◴[22 Oct 25 08:45 UTC] No.45666375[source]▶
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tauwauwau ◴[22 Oct 25 09:07 UTC] No.45666530[source]▶
Law doesn't seek to punish but to rehabilitate. Act of taking freedom away from the criminal is violent enough. Treating them badly is just a sign of unfair/poor society that cannot maintain (afford to keep) it's promise to be civil to all citizens.
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rat9988 ◴[22 Oct 25 09:48 UTC] No.45666812[source]▶
> Law doesn't seek to punish

Then who is tasked with delivering justice to the victims?

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n4r9 ◴[22 Oct 25 10:10 UTC] No.45666964[source]▶
Must justice include punishment? If someone hits me, I'd much rather they take responsibility, apologise, and work on themselves to become a better person, than simply get locked up for a while.
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philipallstar ◴[22 Oct 25 12:45 UTC] No.45668230[source]▶
Those are not the only two options that they can choose from. And being hit is a very minimal example. Would you say the same for rape? No punishment required; just apologise and work on yourself?
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thih9 ◴[22 Oct 25 12:55 UTC] No.45668343[source]▶
You skipped the “take responsibility”. In case of a more serious crime a simple apology is indeed not enough. But it should still be possible to proceed with something more productive for everyone than putting the perpetrator behind bars. As you say, there are many options.
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philipallstar ◴[22 Oct 25 12:58 UTC] No.45668387[source]▶
Take responsibility is just a euphemism, though. For some people that is someone going behind bars. What do you actually mean?
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lostlogin ◴[22 Oct 25 13:15 UTC] No.45668637[source]▶
Apply the same thought process to ‘punishment’. Those who spend a lot of time in prison seem to come out worse and reoffend.

How is that helpful?

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1. nmeofthestate ◴[22 Oct 25 17:00 UTC] No.45672015[source]▶
> those who spend a lot of time in prison seem to come out worse and reoffend. How is that helpful?

You're implying that imprisonment makes people offend more - perhaps the simpler explanation is that most criminals will commit crimes when they get the chance, especially prolific criminals. Prison takes them off the streets and stops them victimising more people - this is helpful.