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BolexNOLA ◴[] No.45655541[source]
> Elon Musk, the boss of SpaceX, fired back: "SpaceX is moving like lightning compared to the rest of the space industry. Moreover, Starship will end up doing the whole Moon mission. Mark my words."

Still marking his words on self-driving vehicles so I guess we can add this to the list. What’s the casualty count so far on that one btw?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autono...

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boxed ◴[] No.45655647[source]
You need to keep two things in your mind at the same time:

Elon Musk sometimes say things that are true.

Elon Must sometimes say things that are not true.

In this case, it's the first one.

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askl ◴[] No.45655767[source]
> Elon Musk sometimes say things that are true.

Has this ever happened in the last 10 years?

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brightball ◴[] No.45656077[source]
What questions do you have following the results of Tesla, SpaceX, Starlink, Neuralink, etc?

I've got a HW4 Tesla Model 3 right now and the FSD experience is so good I use it constantly...and I was one of those "I will never trust self driving cars" people for years.

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BolexNOLA ◴[] No.45662786[source]
>Tesla

His rapidly deteriorating market share in Europe and basically anything cybertruck related

>SpaceX

The contract they had that just reopened for bidding

>neuralink

Haven’t they stopped human trials because they were running into serious issues? I feel like I read something about that but I can’t recall the exact nature of the issue.

>starlink

Pretty sure the Canadian government abandoned their big contract with starlink. A cursory Google search shows that “several governments and organizations have paused or canceled their contracts.” AI summary so should probably be investigated more in depth but I imagine it’s largely accurate.

I see that his hyperloop company didn’t make the list, which went belly up just a year or two ago.

Robotaxi was shut down in Phoenix after all sorts of safety issues arose.

Several major projects have stalled or been shut down over the last few years.

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brightball ◴[] No.45664619[source]
Tesla stock price has never been higher…

SpaceX accounts for over 90% of global space launch payloads.

Neuralink…this is from Oct 10th.

https://x.com/neuralink/status/1976803020190236915?s=46

Starlink is changing the world, airlines, cruises, rural areas and defeated Russian interference in Ukraine. They lost contracts in Canada due to short sited political motivations who were willing to waste 3 times as much tax payer funds because of it. Starlink is doing great.

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BolexNOLA ◴[] No.45664732[source]
Glad to see neuralink is working. Truly. Of all the projects he’s involved in that one and SpaceX are two I am actively rooting for and hope succeed.

Stock prices =/= their sales aren’t plummeting in Europe. You asked what questions we had, my question is “what is he going to do about their reputation in countries that care about his unhinged behavior as it’s clearly effecting their sales?” Also, we’re both on HN. We both know that stock price does not directly correlate with the health of a business.

Starlink was withheld from Ukraine early in the war at an incredibly critical time in case you forgot - he literally dictated where they could and couldn’t use the service (denied access in Crimea for drone operations). Should musk be unilaterally deciding the fate of Ukraine’s military operations, without warning at that? I hope we both agree the answer is “no.” And whether it’s short sighted or not the contracts Starlink lost were to the tune of 9 figures. You blame “short sighted” political motivations, I blame a ketamine-addled fickle billionaire who can’t keep his impulses in check. He consistently acts like a petulant, drunk child. We’ve seen it over and over again.

You ignored half the companies/projects I mentioned.

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1. brightball ◴[] No.45669487[source]
> You blame “short sighted” political motivations, I blame a ketamine-addled fickle billionaire who can’t keep his impulses in check. He consistently acts like a petulant, drunk child. We’ve seen it over and over again.

When people are willing to waste taxpayer funds to go with a solution 3x more expensive, it's absolutely a short sighted political motivation. Nobody who actually answers to their constituents could waste money to that degree.

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2. BolexNOLA ◴[] No.45672837[source]
He unilaterally withheld starlink from Ukraine when he didn’t like the way they were fighting a war for their survival. Why would a government trust an unstable billionaire who does that?
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3. brightball ◴[] No.45680863[source]
I checked on this and it’s not as cut and dry as you make it out to be.

> That said, there was later controversy in 2023 reports about a 2022 incident where Musk refused to extend or activate Starlink coverage over Russian-occupied Crimea to prevent its use in a Ukrainian drone attack on Russia’s Black Sea fleet, citing concerns over escalating the war. Musk has stated this was to avoid complicity in a “major act of war,” and clarified that coverage wasn’t active in that area to begin with, so he declined Ukraine’s request to enable it.

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4. BolexNOLA ◴[] No.45683049{3}[source]
It’s exactly as cut and dry as I am making it out to be. He had total control of the situation and the ability to decide what would happen, which he exercised.
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5. brightball ◴[] No.45685419{4}[source]
Yes. It's good to know that he didn't fall victim to the Stanford prison experiment.

In that situation, there's very little difference from asking him to pull the trigger himself. You might not like the decision, but you have to acknowledge that it's not an easy one.