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French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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375 points begueradj | 4 comments | 22 Oct 25 05:49 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source
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yard2010 ◴[22 Oct 25 08:45 UTC] No.45666375[source]▶
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tauwauwau ◴[22 Oct 25 09:07 UTC] No.45666530[source]▶
Law doesn't seek to punish but to rehabilitate. Act of taking freedom away from the criminal is violent enough. Treating them badly is just a sign of unfair/poor society that cannot maintain (afford to keep) it's promise to be civil to all citizens.
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rat9988 ◴[22 Oct 25 09:48 UTC] No.45666812[source]▶
> Law doesn't seek to punish

Then who is tasked with delivering justice to the victims?

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nevon ◴[22 Oct 25 11:02 UTC] No.45667321[source]▶
What you are referring to is vengeance, not justice. Some people see the two as inseparable and others do not.
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rat9988 ◴[22 Oct 25 13:26 UTC] No.45668807[source]▶
Sure, then who is reponsible for vengeance if not law? And why vengeance is not part of justice, this is not clear here.
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1. 9dev ◴[22 Oct 25 14:05 UTC] No.45669373[source]▶
Because vengeance has never done anyone any good. You never feel better after getting vengeance, just hollow. Thus, a good legal system should strive to provide justice, not vengeance.
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2. I-M-S ◴[22 Oct 25 14:18 UTC] No.45669541[source]▶
Have you ever distributed vengeance so you can personally speak how you felt? Or are you mindlessly repeating strings of words that are supposed to go together like an LLM?
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3. 9dev ◴[22 Oct 25 14:40 UTC] No.45669824[source]▶
I don't have to justify to you, random internet stranger. I have made my share of experience, and read a fair bit about that of others, in history and literature; and I'm confidently standing behind my opinion.
4. lukan ◴[22 Oct 25 14:42 UTC] No.45669863[source]▶
What is "justice"?

To use the example from a sibling comment, if a person kills a child and the father kills this guy out of vengeance .. it will do those children good, who can now live in safety afterwards from that person.

But if in reality the murderer also had family who did not believe he murdered anyone in the first place now set out to seek justice/vengeance, then yes, it becomes a war .. which is why we have courts and police nowdays, but what justice is, is still rather arbitarily defined. Concretely it means enforcing the law. And laws are written by people.