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qq66 ◴[] No.45666006[source]
So is this a criminal president receiving justice, or a politically motivated prosecution?
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1. lucasRW ◴[] No.45666126[source]
A bit of both, there's no doubt he's more than guilty.

But it is also clear that judges (who are notable left-leaning, if not far-left) are much more efficient at prosecuting right-wing figures (Fillon, for 0 reason this time).

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2. ivann ◴[] No.45666218[source]
The "Red judge myth"is, well, a myth. And Fillon's case was very clear and he had all the reason to be prosecuted.
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3. motorest ◴[] No.45666273[source]
> But it is also clear that judges (who are notable left-leaning, if not far-left) are much more efficient at prosecuting right-wing figures (Fillon, for 0 reason this time).

This blend of comments strike me as odd. Are you actually complaining that a judicial system is too efficient at catching corruption at high levels? Is this bad? What point are you trying to make, exactly?

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4. lucasRW ◴[] No.45666528[source]
No it's not. A majority of judges belong the the "Syndicat de la Magistrature", a communist-leaning organization (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndicat_de_la_magistrature) which even participates (despite the supposed "independance" it should abide by) to the Communist Party's annual conference ("Fete de l'Huma"). COMMUNIST, not "socialist". Furthermore, many organizations and known figures of the french magistrature have regularly explained how they view there job as having a political mission, particularly, "avoiding prison", etc, etc... rather than enforcing the law.
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5. lucasRW ◴[] No.45666542[source]
As I said, the system is very efficient against Sarkozy who no doubt deserved it.

It is unfortunately way less efficient at jailing or expelling multi-reoffenders, who have entered the country illegally, then broken the law multiple times, been in front of judges 30, 40, sometimes 100 times, been officially notified that they have to leave France ("OQTF"), yet, are still free to roam around until they're 101st crime ends up in the news and everyone asks "how come the non-politicized judges let them out 100 times before?"

6. ivann ◴[] No.45667043{3}[source]
Your own link said it 33%, so not the majority. A union has no obligation of "independence". Being member of a union does not mean you agree with everything, just that you think it's the best to defend your interests. The "Fête de l’Huma" is not the Communist Party's annual conference but it is indeed left leaning. There is no need to write communist in all caps, it's not an insult. For your last point you'll need to provide sources.
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7. lucasRW ◴[] No.45667255{4}[source]
Yeah, it's not communist, it's just "left-leaning", organized by L'Humanite, a communist newspaper (who calls itself so), known for amongst other things, for grieving the "great comrade Stalin"'s death on its front page dated 9th March 1953. :o)

And sure, belonging to a communist-leaning syndicate which publicly takes political stances (one being to say "dont vote for Sarkozy") has strictly no influence on how you deliver sentencing, nor does the famous incident "mur des cons" in 2013.

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8. popol12 ◴[] No.45670643{5}[source]
Man, the communist party (and the communist ideology) in France is pretty much dead today. They’re not even that much to the left today. They have no power and their boss has no social credibility outside of its party (see “Fabien Roussel n’est pas un camarade” songs)

Your claim that the judges are red is a popular right wing fantasy

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9. LunaSea ◴[] No.45672620[source]
Fillion was very clearly guilty since he hired his own wife with public money while she never worked a day in her life at that job.
10. lucasRW ◴[] No.45680189{6}[source]
I didn't talk about the communist party. But yes you are right, the PC is dead in France.