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reactordev ◴[] No.45655443[source]
Posture, no one can compete, not even NASA.
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altcognito ◴[] No.45655583[source]
"Not even" only applies to those that haven't followed the events of the past decade.

1. USA is no longer sponsoring groundbreaking research 2. USA had already begun outsourcing research to companies that are not grounded in long term employment of researchers.

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1. inglor_cz ◴[] No.45655841[source]
In general, yes, but in this specific instance, groundbreaking research or its lack isn't the core of the problem.

This is mostly about the new human-rated lander, which is an engineering problem. Notably, the US never had a reasonably safe spaceship, although Dragon may yet prove good. Both Apollos and Space Shuttles, developed under NASA, were pretty dangerous to their crews.

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2. reactordev ◴[] No.45656266[source]
As evident in Challenger and Columbia…

You’re absolutely right. Astronauts sign a last will and testament before every flight. We think it’s routine because we’ve nailed down orbital science but in reality, we lack the quality assurance that space flight demands. It’s one thing to send up robots and satellites, it’s another to send up humans. The ISS is crawling with bacteria. We lack the physical protection for long space travel for a mars mission much less visiting anything past the Kuiper belt.

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3. inglor_cz ◴[] No.45656297[source]
Plus Grissom, White and Chaffee didn't even have to fly before dying.

They suffocated/burned to death during a routine test, with Apollo 1 cabine being still firmly attached to Earth.

4. altcognito ◴[] No.45656635[source]
I debated exactly that before posting, I appreciate your comment.

I do think there are some novel challenges left for the Artemis project however that do require a lot of research and development before they are put before the boring engineering happens.

5. prewett ◴[] No.45657399[source]
> The ISS is crawling with bacteria.

So is your skin. Everything related to Earth is crawling with bacteria. The concentration and species of bacteria on the ISS are what is relevant.

6. wat10000 ◴[] No.45660062[source]
The safety requirement for the Commercial Crew program was a probability of fatality of no more than 1 in 270. Which would be absolutely atrocious for any other mode of transport. And Boeing couldn't even achieve that much.

I think the real issue is that it's just still very, very hard. Margins are extremely thin. Airliners are extremely safe despite existing in a realm that's inherently dangerous because they spend margin on safety. You could make an airliner that's way lighter than what's currently flying if you didn't care about making it robust against, say, hitting a weather balloon. But the ability is there to protect against adverse events like that.

Spacecraft have almost no margin. The distance between normal operation and having a bad day is really small because getting people into orbit at all is still just about at the limits of available technology.