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gschier ◴[] No.45648871[source]
This is exactly why I made Yaak [1]. It's fully offline, no telemetry, open source, and can even sync with Git.

https://yaak.app

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rmnclmnt ◴[] No.45650125[source]
Curious to know more about the commercial licensing scheme for Yaak: if i’ve read correctly, purchasing a pro license if based on « good faith » as the features are exactly the same as the MIT licensed Hobby version?

Sincere question, been studying lots of OSS commercial licensing and always wonder what works in which context

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gschier ◴[] No.45650400[source]
This is a conscious bet I'm making.

Yes, it's a good-faith license. The license doesn't even apply to the OSS version (only prebuilt binaries).

The bet is that super fans will pay for it in the early days and, as it gets adopted by larger companies, they will pay in order to comply with the legalities of commercial use. So far, it's working! The largest company so far is 34 seats, with a couple more in the pipe!

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1. throwing_away ◴[] No.45650553[source]
Having often thought this is how I would attempt to monetize if I built a developer tool, I'm glad to hear that it's working.

It makes good sense because companies actually have an absurd amount of liability to you if they violate your agreement.

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2. dylan604 ◴[] No.45651066[source]
Without telemetry, how will you know that anyone at all is using your software let alone only within the agreement of any licensing terms?
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3. array_key_first ◴[] No.45651197[source]
You don't - ergo good faith.

You can be an Oracle and audit your customers and develop that adversarial relationship. The idea is that that sort of thing makes you rot in the long run.

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4. tharkun__ ◴[] No.45651288{3}[source]
How's that been going for Oracle so far?
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5. 47282847 ◴[] No.45651470{4}[source]
They may earn money but are totally rotten. They eat injured souls.
6. rhdhdjdofjnf ◴[] No.45651511{4}[source]
Everyone of their executives can look forward to 10,000 years of burning in hell, so I’d say pretty badly
7. 1313ed01 ◴[] No.45652778[source]
I am sure everyone making shareware in the early 1990's would have loved to spy on people to know how many used their software for free (and have a way to spam those users to try to sell more licenses), but they couldn't and just did without that.
8. array_key_first ◴[] No.45659014{4}[source]
Pretty poorly actually, people avoid Oracle products like the plague. Nobody is buying a JVM from Oracle or buying their DB - they're using open source solutions that are both free and provide more features.

They have a lot of inerita, but that's it. If you're in Greenfield development, there is a close to 0% chance you will choose Oracle as your RDBMS.

Um, oops.

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9. tharkun__ ◴[] No.45677407{5}[source]
Hey, personally I agree. Why would I ever go with Oracle.

But that's A) me personally and B) me in Cloud/Startup type companies, so of course we don't got with Oracle.

But like you mentioned, inertia. So my previous gigs that were large multi-national of course were all Oracle. And they were all huge and had zero reason to not just buy the Oracle tax. Which is why Oracle is going strong.

Despite all the rage, Oracle can still survive quite some time on running boring things like I don't know, many large banks and other boring old businesses. Which of those is really gonna go "AWS Aurora MySQL" when the have had an in-house "Oracle Exadata" run their entire business operation "just fine" for longer than those Cloud providers have even be around?