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    1. lazzurs ◴[] No.45645561[source]
    I am clearly the only person that enjoyed this movie.
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    2. CoastalCoder ◴[] No.45645774[source]
    I didn't hate the movie. It just didn't really excite me.

    Maybe I'm just old enough that all of the plot points and action sequences were familiar from other films.

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    3. prettyblocks ◴[] No.45646046[source]
    I liked it too. It was full of tropes in a cute way that I enjoy from contemporary sci-fi, and it was pretty sick to go see in Dolby with the haptic seats.
    4. johng ◴[] No.45646132[source]
    I love Tron, and NIN. I can't even figure out what the movie is about from the trailers. All the other Tron's I head a good idea of what the movie was about. This one, zero clue... and I have no interest to go to a theater to find out. Will watch once it comes out for home.
    5. anonymars ◴[] No.45646239[source]
    I didn't mind it in isolation, but it really didn't respect Tron Legacy.

    And it was completely unambitious in exploring the implications of AI coming to life and existing in the real world, their experiences, etc.

    Which very much could have happened had they followed up on Tron Legacy

    I guess I'd sum it up as a coherent, but forgettable spectacle

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    6. omnicognate ◴[] No.45646253[source]
    I'm expecting a glorified music video. If the music is good and the visuals are cool I'll be happy.
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    7. alexjplant ◴[] No.45646360[source]
    It was solidly OK in my opinion.

    The primary beefs seem to be with the supposed plot holes and one-dimensional characters. I won't argue that this movie is perfect because it isn't but IMO the proliferation of video essays on film has turned everybody into a critic. Many now think that narrative works have to fit into a "hero's journey" template where we have to identify with extensively-developed characters just because some guy with a beard on YouTube cut together some clips from "Raiders of the Lost Ark" while ranting loudly and quickly about the Platonic form of narrative structure as executed by blockbuster 80s films. These people clearly don't understand that large swaths of narrative entertainment don't fit this mold and Tron is one such franchise. Complaining about the admittedly-cheesy MacGuffin and Jared Leto's wooden acting in this movie is tantamount to saying that there weren't enough car chases in "Pride and Prejudice". It's a feature-length music video with sci-fi themes, not a modern epic. Enjoy it for what it is.

    I'll never see this movie again but I was satisfied with what my $17 bought. I'd recommend seeing it in IMAX before it goes away because the experience won't translate at home.

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    8. tanaros ◴[] No.45646370[source]
    I enjoyed it!

    Admittedly, I went in with extremely low expectations. It was fun, though, and I liked the visuals and the music. The plot was … something.

    9. ackfoobar ◴[] No.45646436[source]
    I guess it's really hard to write a sequel to Tron Legacy. Quorra came to life, then what? They're supposed to change the world. How? With a Q&A site? (Sorry I can't help myself with this dumb joke.)
    10. ksymph ◴[] No.45646462{3}[source]
    The criticisms around Ares sounds a lot like the criticisms of Legacy when it came out so I'm actually pretty excited. Tron: Legacy is one of my all-time favorite movies and it's basically a two hour Daft Punk music video.
    11. rglullis ◴[] No.45646481[source]
    > It's a feature-length music video with sci-fi themes, not a modern epic.

    I don't need some bearded guy on YouTube screaming, when your description is already enough to give me the impression that this is not a good movie.

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    12. CoastalCoder ◴[] No.45646534{3}[source]
    I think you'll be happy.
    13. alexjplant ◴[] No.45646555{3}[source]
    It isn't [strokes moustache] film per se but it is a movie. It's a moving picture with named characters and three acts. Believe me when I say that I'm a filthy hipster that would be first in line to take a dump on this flick but I kind of liked it for what it was.
    14. haunter ◴[] No.45646680[source]
    Nothing wrong with liking mediocre/bad films

    But I'm not sure what did people expect really. The previous two Trons films were bang average 5-6/10 (and I say 6 would be very generous). Yes they might have a cult following and good soundtracks but as a film all together they are entirely forgettable.

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    15. ACCount37 ◴[] No.45647164[source]
    Most people who wanted to see more Tron in the theaters were the ones who liked Tron Legacy (or, less common, Tron Uprising). And the more came out about Tron Ares, the clearer that it was barely a sequel to that.
    16. ashanoko ◴[] No.45647645[source]
    Good thing though they are already a data point to pitch a tent on.
    17. slowmovintarget ◴[] No.45658720[source]
    Dan Harmon's Story Circle actually works, though.

    You end up building this circle for each character, where the plot becomes the vehicle for them seeking and satisfying (or failing to) some need. You don't need purple prose, you just need characters that have motivations that are self-consistent and understood by the viewer. Such understanding does not require sympathy, either.

    Much of the complaint over modern narrative is that what we're presented takes on the structure of propaganda pieces [1], not stories for entertainment. We're supposed to be entertained by the propaganda, instead. Many who grew up on good-guy wins against bad-guy don't resonate with story structure broken in service of some message.

    I'll probably still see this movie eventually, and I'm not claiming Tron: Ares has these issues (no idea). I'm just not in any hurry to go see it.

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

    >> Propaganda can often be recognized by the rhetorical strategies used in its design. In the 1930s, the Institute for Propaganda Analysis identified a variety of propaganda techniques that were commonly used in newspapers and on the radio, which were the mass media of the time period. Propaganda techniques include "name calling" (using derogatory labels), "bandwagon" (expressing the social appeal of a message), or "glittering generalities" (using positive but imprecise language). With the rise of the internet and social media, Renee Hobbs identified four characteristic design features of many forms of contemporary propaganda: (1) it activates strong emotions; (2) it simplifies information; (3) it appeals to the hopes, fears, and dreams of a targeted audience; and (4) it attacks opponents.