Nobel Peace Prize 2025: María Corina Machado

That is nonsense. Even if the Gaza deal was worthy a Nobel Peace Prize, nobody, including Trump, would expect to be honored two days after the deal.

You mean, nobody except Trump.

The deal won't even last, we all know Israel can't stop killing until they get all the lands they want, and Trump knows it too: https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1976374346538156429

They should really have given him one before the deal. I mean, Obama got one just for showing up.

(To be clear, I don't think Trump should get one; and Obama's win was really weird. But, hey, if Kissinger can get one..)

Maybe they didn’t want to make the same mistake:

Nobel secretary regrets Obama peace prize

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960

When you fuck up world peace so badly your successor gets the prize for doing nothing...

You assume that we're dealing with a rational person who has all their senses intact.

The deal would likely take months for the world to see if it's successful. He can get nominated next year if he keeps his own house peaceful too, else he should forget about a rational nomination + award of the Prize.

The Obama one was pretty much for not being George W Bush (or, more to the point, not being controlled by Dick Cheney et al; Bush himself wasn't the _real_ problem there). They'd probably have given it to McCain if he'd won, too. People were _really_ worried about Bush and pals; by the end Cheney was pushing Bush to _start a war with Iran_.

Not even "for doing nothing", more like "before doing anything". He wasn't even 10 months into his presidency.

If there's one job in the world where I'd wait until someone's well out of office before judging their impact on peace, it's the US presidency.

I'm in a circle of people who lean pretty damn far left and even at the time, the only reactions I heard were "huh, what?"

Even if the Gaza deal stick, I don't see how one could receive a nobel prize while deploying army and starting a war in their own country in cities/states/counties led by their political opponents.

Obama was not doing nothing, he actively killed people by drones more than anyone before him. Nobel endorsed killer.

Kissinger's decision is debatable but legit. That time it was not only about him. It was just pathetic from him to took it when his co-winner declined.

Price for Obama was probably miss-step but at least he was not desperately begging for it like Trump does.

> If there's one job in the world where I'd wait until someone's well out of office before judging their impact on peace, it's the US presidency.

Sure, but if you want your prize to have an impact, you sometimes have to hand it out to hopefuls?

You're not dealing with anyone. There's a chap in the white house you don't like, and you want to have a pre-emptive go at him. Either he doesn't say anything, in which case you forget you said this. Or he is upset, in which case you feel justified in this. Or he's happy for the winner, in which case you feel like if he mentions it at all he must be upset.

If there's no way for you to change your stance based on any outcome, then it's pointless to say.

Even Obama said basically those words when he got a call from his staff at 6AM announcing that he had won, and he said in the press conference that he didn't feel he deserved it (I looked this up in his 2020 book Promised Land).

Meanwhile for Trump... I'm pretty certain he wants it because a clever, charismatic, eloquent and beloved Black man got it...

I dunno. Do you? Does the Nobel prize have a history of shaping the future? Did winning the Nobel prize make Obama a different president? Was it supposed to?

To me, it seemed oddly aspirational, but maybe that's more often the case with the peace prize, too.

Also worth noting that the language in the press release [1] and facts page [2] makes it all sound like it was for things already achieved (although maybe that's at odds with "Inspires Hope for a Better Future"), and I'm skeptical of looking at year 1 achievements the job with arguably the most destructive power in the world.

It's not a hill I'd fight, let alone die, on, though. :)

1- https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/2009/press-release/ 2- https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/2009/obama/facts/

I think he wants Noble prize for stopping 700 wars.

I like how in turn you're having a preemptive go at this person.

Also: the day Trump shows genuine selfless happiness for another's accomplishments, there won't be enough boots for me to eat.

Huh. Obama was given in advance – anticipatory. Maybe as a moral loan and it is up for debates whether it was ever repaid.

If you wanted to avoid "misnominations", you'd be forced to wait until the career of the nominee is over (meaning in many cases: award it posthumously).

But the Nobel price explicitly tries to avoid that; hindsight is always gonna be better.

He will start his own prize now and award it for himself every year.

Starting a war? Let’s not get too wild with the hyperbole please.

That’s not how it works. The prizes are not motivational but for achievement . Otherwise we should give the physics prize to some school kid in the hope of them discovering quantum gravity

I am actually dealing with a person though, and have set out a falsifiable case.

> Also: the day Trump shows genuine selfless happiness for another's accomplishments, there won't be enough boots for me to eat.

Same, but it's also true for anyone else.

I hope they’ve managed to convey this to the whitehouse.

It really didn’t help when they gave Obama the prize. Even he was embarrassed by it.

I think trump genuinely deserves the prize if peace in the Middle East achieved. However, I think it’s far more likely he’s being played for a fool by Israel as per Russia.

Trump does genuinely seem to want to avoid foreign wars, to his credit.

Norway is no doubt now bracing itself for tariffs or other retaliation. Hopefully they can dangle next year’s prize as worth waiting for.

Very debatable. His deal with Iran kept the peace though - trump ripping it up led to war.

Ironically, trump may win the peace prize next year for ending a war he created. If indeed, against the odds, he has ended this war.

Nonsense, is it?

https://x.com/StevenCheung47/status/1976601157041856756

Yeah. I'm just okay special casing "against" heads of state.

> I am actually dealing with a person though, and have set out a falsifiable case.

As have they? We have many tests for determining whether or not a given person's senses are or not intact.

> Same, but it's also true for anyone else.

Note I said show. If you happen to live in a world where you feel you've been devoid of such empathy then I feel for you, but such an environment of narcissism is hardly representative.

> Trump does genuinely seem to want to avoid foreign wars, to his credit.

Just going to drop this here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QQYFVEka3fA&pp=ygUYc2FyY2FzbWl...

What war did Trump create?

Deploying military police or the military proper in cities is a common practice in other liberal nations, the USA is the exception.

>For ending a war he created.

What war did Trump create that you claim he's ending?

Because as far as I know, Israel's war on Gaza started before his term, and if the peace deal holds, Trump will be almost singlehandedly responsible for ending it.

If that's not worthy of a Nobel Peace prize, I truly don't know what else is.

Trump might win it anyway. If he stares at Norway long enough and his minions find a way to harass the country (which is the MO these days), I have a feeling Norway will find a way to give him one (or two if he fancies), just like they found ways to not give it to many deserving people throughout its history, just because nations with convincing physical likeness would not have appreciated that.

> nobody, including Trump, would expect to be honored

oh, he absolutely 100% would

Well, he did claim to have solved the war between Albania and Azerbaijan - that alone is worthy of a prize.

> What war did Trump create that you claim he's ending?

He allowed Israel to break the last ceasefire immediately after the first phase of prisoner exchange was over, and to subsequently act with more brutality than even before. He started that chapter himself, whether through psychopatic indifference, narcisstic business fantasy of a future riviera with his name, or being a completely weak man who couldn't say no. Whatever the reason, he started the next 7 months of slaughter.

> I think trump genuinely deserves the prize if peace in the Middle East achieved

The current ceasefire proposal doesn't address the wider struggle for liberation of the indigenous people of Palestine, and as such it cannot be anything more than a temporary stop to a 2-year genocide against them. Settlements are still being built and fences around Palestinian houses are still being erected in the West Bank. Ethnic Cleansing continues. There is no peace until Israel undergoes the same transformation that Apartheid South Africa did when it turned into just South Africa (which requires efforts from the entire world to boycott it).

You have to admit there is almost no fighting between them now.

Peace in the Middle East - er, Gaza - by supporting a military occupation.

I'm not sure this is what Al Nobel has in mind.

Even more than FDR!?!