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elcapitan ◴[] No.45393979[source]
The simple message is "Don't spend your money on things you don't really own, because you'll be at forever war with the lenders".
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makeitdouble ◴[] No.45394060[source]
Last stop on this train is either "seize the means of production" or hiding in the woods
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quijoteuniv ◴[] No.45394120[source]
Please expand on what you mean here
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makeitdouble ◴[] No.45394302[source]
"things you own" is a more complex concept than most people give it credit for.

If for instance you consider anything that can be legally and uniterraly taken away from you as not owned, that definition becomes really really small, short of you being a diplomat or some special entity.

Many see "owning" things in a more colloquial way, but that's also how Amazon gets by with their shenanigans, as it still feels like ownership day to day.

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dh2022 ◴[] No.45398792[source]
You are on: can you explain how anyone can legally and unilaterally take away my fully paid car? After that can you explain how can anyone legally and unilaterally take away my mortgaged home? Just curious. (If still interested in this game, can you explain how anyone can take away my books? This is closer to the topic at hand)
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1. makeitdouble ◴[] No.45401960[source]
> car

As sister comment points out, civil forfeiture is one. Your car being involved in a criminal investigation and getting saved for perpetuity as evidence would be another.

Funnier examples: let's say it's a self driving car, as you proudly admire your brand new car delivered car, firmware is overwritten by error and is sent to another home, who also closes the delivery. Factory management software is buggy as hell and your car got reassigned some random info of another lost car, but marked as delivered to you anyway, so the burden of proof is now on your side.

You might be fighting that car maker in court for the rest of your life without ever seeing any compensation or getting back "your" car.

> mortgaged home

If it's mortgaged it's just not yours in the first place. I'm sure you have clauses in your loan contract detailing how the loaner can unilateraly decide that circumstances changed, you're now too much of a risk, and request near inmediate full repay of the rest of loan or else they liquidate the property.

Land laws have also their funnier clauses, where someone squatting your property for a decade can request legal ownership, depending on the local arrangements.