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ck2 ◴[] No.45397371[source]
fun-fact: CIA is currently mucking around in Greenland trying to get rid of people against annexation

this is not going to end well

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0j9l08902eo

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-polit...

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danielscrubs ◴[] No.45397624[source]
Exactly my thoughts.

I think US ownership (not necessarily of land) is inevitable, but it is going to take a couple of decades of these kind of polarising pieces.

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1. impossiblefork ◴[] No.45397837[source]
>I think US ownership (not necessarily of land)

What would that even mean? Especially the use the word 'ownership'?

I think there's zero chance of US long-term influence on Greenland. They simply have no reason to prefer foreign domination, when they can simply be sovereign. I would place independence + EU membership as more probably than any association with the US, and I think them staying within Denmark is much more likely than them becoming independent.

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2. WalterBright ◴[] No.45398040[source]
> They simply have no reason to prefer foreign domination

The reason is they require subsidy to live there. The economy appears to run at a net deficit. The same reason the Vikings gave up on it.

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3. impossiblefork ◴[] No.45398280[source]
I don't think the subsidy is required. The net deficit is small.

Some Swedish regions also have a net deficit relative to other Swedish regions, but that doesn't mean that they don't work out economically. After all, not all economic activity in region is taxed there. A firm in Örnsköldsvik pays their taxes to the Swedish government, and then the Swedish government distributes part back to the region.

It's around 600 million USD per year, on 56836 people. Around $1000 per head. But GDP per capita is $58,498.

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4. Paradigm2020 ◴[] No.45398535{3}[source]
10k.
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5. TMWNN ◴[] No.45398805[source]
>They simply have no reason to prefer foreign domination, when they can simply be sovereign.

No, they can't. The likes of Palau are (barely) viable as sovereign countries, because at least the geographic size is as small as their populations.

It is absolutely, positively, completely impossible for 50K Greenlanders to by themselves maintain a the world's largest island, even aside from the completely frozen-over aspect. The $600M annual subsidy by Denmark does not include the funds Copenhagen spends on also running Greenland's foreign relations and defense. But in reality, Denmark spends a relative pittance on those things (like "six dog sleds" pittance); the vast majority of the cost of defending Greenland is borne by the US, as has been the case since 1940. Why should the US shoulder the burden without commensurate political power?

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6. WalterBright ◴[] No.45398877{3}[source]
> I don't think the subsidy is required. The net deficit is small.

Continuing to lose money leads to bankruptcy.

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7. impossiblefork ◴[] No.45399015{4}[source]
Ah, you're right. So an order of magnitude higher. Miscalculated.
8. impossiblefork ◴[] No.45399026{4}[source]
They would presumably just cut their government budget if it weren't for the subsidy.

It would probably be fine. Furthermore, I don't think Denmark plans on dropping it. They want reasonably strong government services also in this sparsely populated arctic region.

9. danielscrubs ◴[] No.45401944[source]
You don’t get to decide the price after the fact.

The petroldollar has been amazing for every citizen of US… somethings just give and take.

US can choose to jump out of Nato whenever it wishes.

The real danger here is that we might all be chatting against llm bots…