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buyucu ◴[] No.45393947[source]
I just use libgen / Anna's Archive. No need to pay money to Amazon.
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ugjka ◴[] No.45393995[source]
So how exactly pirating the books give money to the writers?
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1. shakna ◴[] No.45394152[source]
The more people who pirate my books, the greater my sales across all platforms. That's not hyperboly - its something I track.

Individuals who pirate my books are also more likely to buy them in the future.

Piracy is just about accessibility and trust. If the person can't afford to take a chance, they pirate. And if you win them there, they'll buy.

(Nit: Zero of that applies to corps. Thanks Anthropic, Meta, and everyone else.)

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2. qmr ◴[] No.45394206[source]
Are you looking forward to tens of ... dollars from that recent suit?
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3. SCdF ◴[] No.45394414[source]
I am guessing this works for you because more people reading = more people talking = more readers discovering and potential sales?

It would be interesting to see at what point of notoriety that is no longer true. Like is this still a factor for Stephen King, or at that point is it really just lost sales?

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4. gruez ◴[] No.45394627[source]
>The more people who pirate my books, the greater my sales across all platforms.

You think more piracy leads to more sales, but surely this is correlation, not causation? It seems far more plausible that popular books get pirated and bought more, hence the correlation.

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5. thaumasiotes ◴[] No.45394701[source]
It could be pure correlation if you, personally, are a household name. If you're secretly Stephen King commenting on Hacker News, then yes, exposure isn't going to help you.

But if you're not Stephen King, then more piracy is going to make a direct, causal, positive impact on your sales.

6. shakna ◴[] No.45394820[source]
I mostly sell by word of mouth. You've certainly never heard of my books before. I am in no way "popular".

Piracy creates an invested reader. Its not much different than games selling by offering free demos.

There is a _causation_ there, because the reader likely never would have discovered me, otherwise.

7. shakna ◴[] No.45394831[source]
Some of my publishers are, as they're American. I'm unlikely to see any of that.

Unfortunately, I'm Australian, and my government saw fit to narrow their interpretation of current laws, to make AI scraping of illegally obtained data, legal.

You now have to prove direct harm - not the indirect harm happening to the entire industry.

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8. shakna ◴[] No.45394856[source]
That's my interpretation of it.

As for scale... There is only a tiny fraction of the industry that can support their life on writer's income, let alone be a household name.

It probably does become just lost sales at that point, but to reach that, you're probably already beyond most competitive forces, leaving only piracy around.

9. pabs3 ◴[] No.45395335{3}[source]
Is non-AI-related scraping now legal too?
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10. shakna ◴[] No.45395539{4}[source]
Only if the original data scraper gets permission. [0]

[0] https://www.oaic.gov.au/news/media-centre/global-expectation...