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rmu09 ◴[] No.45345721[source]
US made cars had the reputation of being low quality, too big, too heavy and too inefficient for european cities.

Tesla was somewhat different. People bought Teslas not for their promised "self driving" capabilities (I know no Tesla driver that took those promises at face value or got the FSD option FWIW), but one motivation was to "stick it" to snobbish arrogant european manufacturers wanting to develop "clean" ICEs with "green fuels" or other non-sensical crimes against thermodynamics like H2-cars.

Now, Tesla (and the US in general) has a brand toxicity problem, and it is worsening. People I know that would consider a Tesla some years ago now drive electric VWs or BWMs or KIAs, often times much more expensive cars than the comparable Tesla 3 / Y model.

This trend will probably continue the next years, and I don't see a way for Tesla to repair the brand image.

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estearum ◴[] No.45345771[source]
For what it's worth, Tesla is by a gigantic margin the lowest quality-for-dollar American vehicle you can buy. The EV thing was unique until it wasn't.
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fouc ◴[] No.45345920[source]
[citation needed]
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estearum ◴[] No.45346252[source]
Go sit in a $90,000 Tesla then go sit in a $90,000 literally-anything-else.

That price range for Ford and Chevy trucks or SUVs for example are outrageously luxurious by comparison (not even considering their additional utility).

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dzhiurgis ◴[] No.45354888{3}[source]
False equivalence
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estearum ◴[] No.45355135{4}[source]
They are American vehicles being compared on the dimension "quality-for-dollar" as mentioned above. Direct equivalence.
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1. dzhiurgis ◴[] No.45355695{5}[source]
You realise there are more than one category.

To start you are comparing wrong segments (premium vs luxury), wrong platform (ice vs ev) and wrong generations (plush shitbox vs self driving sports spacemobile).

Compare to Rivian or Lucid and Tesla is actually cheapest (and yes worst interior).

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2. estearum ◴[] No.45358861[source]
That's a lot of words to say the same thing I just said (minus the weird cope about a "shitbox vs spacemobile")

Now that there's competition in EVs, Tesla's shittiness is extremely problematic.