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anovikov ◴[] No.45345257[source]
Too little and too late. Draconian measures are necessary to push automakers into compliance and to push consumers to buy. It's expensive unless we want to sell out to China completely, but necessary and in the end, affordable.
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storus ◴[] No.45346002[source]
Electric grid is incapable of 1:1 switching to EVs from gas/diesel vehicles. If you want to collapse economy, just enforce it with your draconian measures.
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ViewTrick1002 ◴[] No.45346111[source]
Not sure why this old talking points keeps being repeated?

BEVs are like the best consumers imaginable for our grids. Their owners get hourly contracts and perfectly time their charging when the prices are low helping stabilize the grid.

Some even grid companies even support adding cars charging to the ancillary markets further increasing grid reliability - while also paying the BEV owners for their service.

Taking in the supply chain from producing oil, refining it and transporting it the change in electricity consumption is negigible because especially the refining step is quite electricity intensive.

But if no refining happens in a market then something like a 20-30% increase in electricity usage is expected.

Please do tell me how that entails a "collapse"?

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storus ◴[] No.45346208[source]
Because it's true. Most EU countries aren't built to have 100% EV. Not every country is Norway. Spanish or Czech grids collapse from hot weather already, how much worse would it be when you suddenly plug millions of vehicles? With 220V one would need 1-2 days to fully charge continuously to get to 100% depending on battery size; perfect timing is a wishful thinking, you'd get peak charging times as well. Speed chargers are very few and their price is now approaching gas prices already, and electric grid can't bear many of them anyway.
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1. ViewTrick1002 ◴[] No.45346230[source]
You seem to be talking around the issue? Sprinkled with misinformation. Please do tell me when the Spanish and Czech grid collapsed due to "hot weather".

Of course not at all engaging with the point about BEVs acting like demand response for a grid. Scheduling their charging to not add more load when the grid is already strained, unless forced to do so due to e.g. being on a roadtrip without possibility of timing the charging and therefore paying a premium for expensive electricity.

All in all I see a lot of hand waving and little substance.

Did you miss the portion where on average the refinement of raw crude to gasoline/diesel is neutral in terms of electricity usage compared to just driving a BEV?