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anovikov ◴[] No.45345257[source]
Too little and too late. Draconian measures are necessary to push automakers into compliance and to push consumers to buy. It's expensive unless we want to sell out to China completely, but necessary and in the end, affordable.
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epolanski ◴[] No.45345594[source]
I don't understand your narrative.

We Europeans have sold tens of millions of cars in China for decades. The string attached was that you had to make a joint venture with a local company (which, by the way, shared the risks and increased the margins).

Why can't they do so the same here?

And I don't want to hear no "because Chinese EV industry got help by government, it's unfair", so what? In Italy alone we've given more than 200B euros to Fiat, which milks governments from Serbia to Poland out of taxpayer money. Tesla has received 16B+ in direct funding from taxpayers in US alone, got more in foreign countries to open plants there.

European and American auto industries shouldn't rely on artificially gatekeeping foreign automakers.

We've tried with Japan in the 80s forcing them to produce here, now it's China.

I don't like any of this, it's against taxpayers, it's against consumers. Free market goes both ways.

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1. FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.45345761[source]
>Why can't they do so the same here?

They .. ARE?

Dacia Spring is essentially a Chinese EV from Renault's joint venture with eGT New Energy Automotive.

VW's Cupra Tavascan is made in China and is the product of VW's joint venture with Anhui Jianghuai Automobile Group.

And many EU EVs that are of domestic design and production use Chinese developed and manufactured powertrains and batteries.

EU EVs are using more and more Chinese tech.

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2. epolanski ◴[] No.45348137[source]
Was merely pointing out that I don't see anything wrong in it.