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1245 points mriguy | 18 comments | | HN request time: 0.855s | source | bottom
1. tomrod ◴[] No.45308801[source]
What a shame. We face a mounting demographic crisis from low birth rates already, mostly from economic pressures and lack of personal decisions in healthcare for women. So many wrong directions.
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2. LPisGood ◴[] No.45308831[source]
I think this is extremely tangential to the article, but is there any evidence that any mounting American demographic crisis has anything to do with abortion being overturned?
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3. WorkerBee28474 ◴[] No.45308890[source]
> ...mostly from economic pressures and lack of personal decisions in healthcare for women

I've got some bad news for you about, well, pretty much all of human history...

4. ranger_danger ◴[] No.45308896[source]
But H-1Bs are for specialized workers... somehow I don't think that is a meaningful contributor to overall low birth rates, but I could be wrong.
5. ranger_danger ◴[] No.45308915[source]
Yes, because there's nothing that says a country should be xenophobic, especially when Japanese themselves are not a single coherent race but a mixture from all over.
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6. djohnston ◴[] No.45308966{3}[source]
Lol white people explaining to Japanese people why they have no race. I would subscribe to your channel.
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7. breadwinner ◴[] No.45308980[source]
You seem to be saying only Native Americans should remain in America, everyone else should leave?
8. liquid_thyme ◴[] No.45309028[source]
Ask the native americans how they feel about being "replaced"? Maybe the cycle just repeats itself - if you live long enough to see it. I heard they used to speak French in England.
9. ranger_danger ◴[] No.45309078{4}[source]
I'm a Japanese but thank you.
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10. kg ◴[] No.45309084[source]
Personal decisions in healthcare are about more than just abortion.

For example, if miscarriages are criminalized, and access to birth control is restricted - both real things that have been attempted or have actually happened in the US as a part of anti-choice policies - the only safe choice is to not have sex, ever. Which means you're probably never going to have kids, instead of before where there was a chance you'd get pregnant and then decide whether to have the child or not. Now it's too risky to even have a chance of getting pregnant if you have no autonomy. I certainly would never risk it in a state with anti-choice policies.

The intent of these policies might be to raise the birth rate, but I'm not sure they're going to do that. We'll see, I guess.

IMO the demographic crisis is more likely to be influenced by other factors, like the rising costs of raising children, the increasing constraints and pressures on parents, etc. But those policies don't help.

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11. djohnston ◴[] No.45309111{5}[source]
I’ll believe that when you share the channel :)
12. eli_gottlieb ◴[] No.45309121[source]
So, uh, is there any kind or venue of immigration that you regard as a legitimate national interest rather than "replacement"?
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13. zahlman ◴[] No.45309122{3}[source]
> especially when Japanese themselves are not a single coherent race but a mixture from all over.

> The Yamato (大和民族, Yamato minzoku; lit. 'Yamato ethnicity') or Wajin (和人 / 倭人; lit. 'Wa people')[4] are an East Asian ethnic group that comprises over 98% of the population of Japan. Genetic and anthropometric studies have shown that the Yamato people predominantly descend from the Yayoi people, who migrated to Japan from the continent beginning during the 1st millennium BC, and to a lesser extent the indigenous Jōmon people who had inhabited the Japanese archipelago for millennia prior.[5]

> Generally, the Japanese are related to other East Asians like the Koreans and the Han Chinese, but can be genetically distinguished from them.[47][48] Japanese and Koreans diverged from each other about 1.4 KYA, around the Asuka period or the middle of the Three Kingdoms period.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato_people

(For comparison, the Māori arrived in New Zealand about 0.7 KYA, and are considered an indigenous people.)

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14. majorchord ◴[] No.45309376{4}[source]
How is that not a mixture?
15. eli_gottlieb ◴[] No.45309401{4}[source]
Define "white"
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16. krmboya ◴[] No.45310836{3}[source]
Statistics show that kids brought up with both parents have much better prospects in life.

The decision to have kids should be a deliberate commitment between the parents, not some kind of lottery where one falls pregnant then decides what to do next.

It's better not to fall pregnant at all otherwise

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17. LPisGood ◴[] No.45312024{4}[source]
> It's better not to fall pregnant at all

That’s pretty much the whole point of abortion, by the way.

18. trallnag ◴[] No.45312078[source]
> low birth rates [...] from economic pressures and lack of personal decisions in Healthcare for women

This is an outlandish and ridiculous hypothesis with zero substance to it. All research points to it being the other way around. They higher the economic pressures and the less freedom people have in reproductive healthcare, the higher the birth rates. The moment Germany introduced the birth control drugs, the birth rate dropped.

If a country develops from the level of Somali to something like Germany and the birth rate tanks to somewhere slightly above 1, increasing the birth rate by maybe 0.1 by enabling more personal decisions has literally zero impact.

Of course I'm still a proponent of decreasing economic pressure on parents and enabling reproductive freedoms like pre-implementation diagnostics. The consequences on birth rate is just something we have to deal with one way or another.