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sirwhinesalot ◴[] No.45289648[source]
We now live in a world where KDE looks nicer, more professional, and more consistent than the latest macOS. I don't know how that happened, and KDE isn't even particularly nice looking, but here we are.

For many years now KDE has focused on polish, bug fixing and "nice-to-have" improvements rather than major redesigns, and it paid off.

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GuB-42 ◴[] No.45290812[source]
KDE is, as its name implies, a desktop environment. And it hasn't been "infected" by the "mobile" virus.

I often wondered why desktop UIs became so terrible somewhere in the 2010s and I don't want to attribute it to laziness, greed, etc... People have been lazy and greedy since people existed, there must have been something else. And I think that mobile is the answer.

UI designers are facing a really hard problem, if not impossible. Most apps nowadays have desktop and mobile variants, and you want some consistency, as you don't want users to relearn everything when switching variants. But mobile platforms, with their small touchscreens are completely different from desktop platforms with their large screens, keyboards and mice. So what do you do?

In addition to mobile, you often need to target the browser too, so: native desktop, native mobile, browser desktop, browser mobile. And then you add commercial consideration like cost, brand identity, and the idea that if you didn't change the UI, you didn't change anything. Commercial considerations have always been a thing, but the multiplication of platforms made it worse, prompting for the idea of running everything in a browser, and having the desktop inferface just being the mobile interface with extra stuff.

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noisem4ker ◴[] No.45293739[source]
KDE does have a convergent UI framework, though. It's called Kirigami, and I think several KDE apps use it to also get a mobile version. Perhaps it's more about doing things well and compatibly with the mobile presentation, just not "mobile first" (which often factually implies "and desktop never").
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dotancohen ◴[] No.45296191[source]
I develop a Qt app that needs a mobile version, though I've never done mobile development before. I use Qt for the desktop app specifically because a I'm a long time KDE user. What does convergent mean in this context? What would Kirigami bring to a potential Android application?

Thanks

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heavyset_go ◴[] No.45296609[source]
He's talking about MauiKit, which is a superset of Kirigami.

https://mauikit.org/

You get some nice predefined widgets to use with QML, but you also potentially have to build Maui/Kirigami against the platforms you deploy to, and it's a C++ & QML project with its own build platform.

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1. Citizen_Lame ◴[] No.45299341{3}[source]
Is MauiKit still maintained, seeing even the main links on website don't work. Like MauiKit Documentation?
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2. heavyset_go ◴[] No.45299980[source]
No idea, but I think the maintainers are available on IRC or whatever KDE is using for chat these days if you want to ask them.