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LarsDu88 ◴[] No.45294473[source]
How many minutes before HN takes this one down? Seen at least 5 political posts get shut down today
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AlexandrB ◴[] No.45294496[source]
HN has a general rule against posts about politics that occasionally gets ignored for particularly noteworthy events.

> Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.

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belter ◴[] No.45294532[source]
If you are quoting the guidelines quote this one also: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.

I would say, to see the USA moving into Nazism, in realtime, in my lifetime, is a pretty amazing intellectual endeavor to dissect.

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AlexandrB ◴[] No.45294646[source]
Can you explain why you think it's moving specifically to Nazism? There's certainly an argument to be made for authoritarianism or some other version of non-democratic rule, however throwing around Nazism weakens that argument instead of strengthening it given how overused that term/accusation is at this point.
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1. jleyank ◴[] No.45294706[source]
They've tried building concentration camps. They're muzzling the press, they're thinking of banning the opposition, they oppose "them", and are going to great lengths to harm them. They're muzzling scientists and doctors, leading to population exodus. I'm sure there's other things I'm missing.

But this is a reasonable approximation to where things stood in, say, 1937. Granted, they've not gone after neighbouring countries (yet?) but they've had their vom Raths, Horst Wessel's, ... And we'll see if the Reichstag burns over the next year. If they screw up the mid-term elections or talk about an enabling act or let trump run a 3rd term, will that be good enough for ya?

And they talk about racial purity and limit women's roles and future. I'm sure there's a lebensraum in there somewhere. If you think using the term "Nazi" Godwin's the discussion, ok, just use Fascist. You have more countries to compare to with that term: Italy, Spain, Portugal, ...

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2. g-b-r ◴[] No.45294951[source]
I wouldn't be completely surprised if there were a night of the long knives against democrats (if several high profile assassinations were to happen, for example), but to reach Nazism you'd need gas chambers
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3. g-b-r ◴[] No.45294956[source]
Given they designated AntiFa a terrorist organization, they sure don't seem to like anti-fascists, though
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4. AlexandrB ◴[] No.45295050[source]
This is like saying the Nazis were socialists because they had "socialist" in the name of the party. Just because a group brands itself as something doesn't mean they are that thing.
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5. rolph ◴[] No.45295096[source]
large chambers were desirable for efficiency optimization.

now we have plastic hoods and a tank of Nitrogen.

6. g-b-r ◴[] No.45295101{3}[source]
You're claiming that they're not really antifascists?
7. jleyank ◴[] No.45295685[source]
Some rando on Fox News mentioned euthanizing homeless. So it’s percolating under the surface. Don’t think they fired or censored him.
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8. _DeadFred_ ◴[] No.45296006[source]
Lethal injection for undesirables is being 'soft launched' openly on television with zero repercussion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phYOrM3SNV8

9. Terr_ ◴[] No.45296339{3}[source]
The charitable interpretation here is that you don't realize what your post looks like in context, and you're being weirdly pedantic, sharing an abstract possibility that we have no reason to believe is relevant in this case.

The uncharitable assertion is that you want people to believe that the label is incorrect... but you're afraid or incapable of making the argument, so you are maliciously sowing doubt.

Neither are a particularly good look.

10. soraminazuki ◴[] No.45296895[source]
If we're being absolutely pedantic, I don't know if Nazism is the adequate term here. But putting that aside, the argument is that we're progressing towards it, not that we're in the final stages of that transformation.

Also, why gas chambers specifically? The means don't matter as much as the objectives.

11. Terr_ ◴[] No.45297100{3}[source]
I think "rando" actually downplays how bad it is, since it sounds like a guest. The guy (Brian Kilmeade) works for Fox and has been hosting their opinion-shows for ~27 years.

In this clip [0] of "Fox and Friends", the first host (Lawrence Jones) says that homeless people be forced to accept "the programs" from the government, or else be locked up in prison... and then Brian Kilmeade ramps it up with "just kill 'em", using "involuntary lethal injection."

[0] https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9mq3oKI2KhY

12. tastyface ◴[] No.45298594[source]
The Final Solution was decided on in 1942. Were they not Nazis before then?