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sirwhinesalot ◴[] No.45289648[source]
We now live in a world where KDE looks nicer, more professional, and more consistent than the latest macOS. I don't know how that happened, and KDE isn't even particularly nice looking, but here we are.

For many years now KDE has focused on polish, bug fixing and "nice-to-have" improvements rather than major redesigns, and it paid off.

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distances ◴[] No.45290300[source]
KDE usability really started improving when the Visual Design Group was launched during the KDE 5 cycle, spearheaded by Jens Reuterberg. There was a real cool atmosphere of designer-developer cooperation which quickly led to very sleek results that persist to this day.

VDG tackled (and tackles) not only design for the desktop itself, but also for KDE applications that had never seen a designer's touch before.

I've been long a KDE user, even through the 4.0 troubles, but also the first to admit that it used to look clunky. Looking at old screenshots is a quick reminder of how far this initiative has taken it.

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uncircle ◴[] No.45290404[source]
VDG must be so busy that my #1 feature request for KDE, support for smart copy&paste in Konsole, has been stuck in bikeshedding hell for almost 5 years because the maintainer didn't want to merge an optional feature without the VDG go-ahead :(

I love open source and have been running Linux since 1999, but my experience of contributing to both KDE and GNOME is your PRs never go anywhere unless you're part of the inner cabal of maintainers, otherwise any small bugfix or feature goes into bikeshedding mode, and it's the reason I don't contribute any more.

That said, I run KDE now after two decades of GNOME. It's pretty good and has been looking good for a while now.

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mixmastamyk ◴[] No.45290558[source]
Konsole is my least favorite terminal because of all the klutter. Have to remove several buttons, and the context menu with hundreds of options can’t be simplified to my knowledge.
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WD-42 ◴[] No.45290706[source]
This 100%. Just look at the screenshot on the KDE page for Konsole: https://apps.kde.org/konsole/

What's up with the massive amount of chrome used for nothing except new tab/copy/paste buttons? Is it really necessary to take up what could be used for 2+ extra lines of terminal output for a labeled Copy button? Compare it to gnome console, or any other terminal really, and you will get far more terminal output for the size of the window, as it should be.

And it's not just Konsole. So many KDE apps have this same problem. Giant labeled buttons taking up space from the actual content, for things you will never use or have well established keyboard shortcuts already.

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1. heavyset_go ◴[] No.45291229{3}[source]
That screenshot has all of the Konsole features enabled. You'd use one at a time if you use any at all.

> So many KDE apps have this same problem.

Right click any KDE app toolbar -> Text position -> Icons only

I also believe it's a setting in the System Settings.

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2. wkat4242 ◴[] No.45296955[source]
That's why I love KDE. You can have it just the way you like it. Not how someone else decided on.

I think a lot of people knock it just from looking at some screenshots of the default options. Not knowing everything is configurable. Think the taskbar (panel) is too thick? Just change it. Don't want that toolbar? No worries just turn it off. It's so good.

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3. account42 ◴[] No.45299474[source]
> That's why I love KDE. You can have it just the way you like it. Not how someone else decided on.

That is unfortunately less and less the case. Still better than most alternatives in that regard though.

4. heavyset_go ◴[] No.45300003[source]
I was in that boat for years. It took forcing myself to switch due to GNOME breaking basic features before I realized just how great and customizable KDE is.

You can easily implement Windows or macOS UI layouts using it and it isn't terrible. I actually prefer KDE to either desktop.

5. mixmastamyk ◴[] No.45304256[source]
The context menu is not configureable.