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casq ◴[] No.45285280[source]
Hi, I’m Christina, cofounder of Hack Club. We just announced this news to our community, and this post is from one of the teenagers in Hack Club. It’s an accurate description of what’s happened, and we’re grateful to them for posting. Slack changed the terms of a special deal we were given last year to charge us for staff and volunteers (not for every teenager coding), and we built programs around that special rate. Then this spring they changed the terms to every single user without telling us or sending a new contract, and then ignored our outreach and delayed us and told us to ignore the bill and not to pay as late as Aug 29

Then, suddenly, they called us 2 days ago and said they are going to de-activate the Hack Club Slack, including all message history from 11 years, unless we pay them $50,000 USD this week and $200,000 USD/year moving forward (plus additional annual fees for new accounts, including inactive ones)

For anyone reading this, we would really appreciate any way to contact people at Salesforce to discuss time to migrate because deactivating us in 5 days destroys all the work of thousands of teen coders at Hack Club and alum unnecessarily. We are not asking for anything for free. This was an underhanded process by the sales team to raise our rate exorbitantly from a qualified educational 501(c)(3) charity serving young developers or destroy all their projects, DMs and work forever. If Salesforce’s goals have changed- ok. Give us a reasonable amount of time to migrate- and don’t club us over the head like this. We have had an 11 year great relationship with Slack- and have introduced the company to many many future engineers and founders. My email if you can help us: christina@hackclub.com

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actionfromafar ◴[] No.45287173[source]
Thousands of teen coders now hate Salesforce in advance. This is very shortsighted.
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Aeolun ◴[] No.45288157[source]
Are there any coders that like salesforce in the first place? This is firmly one of those ‘foisted on you by management’ kind of products right?
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bombcar ◴[] No.45288266{3}[source]
If you look at Salesforce as "Access as a SaaS" it's not so bad.

But if you're coming at it from a LAMP stack or otherwise having direct access to a real SQL database designed by intelligent people, it's pretty meh.

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1. notpushkin ◴[] No.45289391{4}[source]
I’d love a self-hostable, in-browser Access. Preferably Access 97.
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2. bombcar ◴[] No.45289509[source]
There’s a couple of open source projects that get almost close but not quite. It’s like a number of them have 20 to 50% of what you need.

I agree that it would be a very useful product.