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fn-mote ◴[] No.45284378[source]
I was ready to be unsympathetic - too bad for the company - but then I read TFA and it's a rug pull on a nonprofit teaching coding to kids....

https://hackclub.com/

(They do help clubs sell things, taking "7% of income", so they do have a revenue stream, but the money that Slack wants would pay a veritable army of student interns.)

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1. enriquto ◴[] No.45286417[source]
> a nonprofit teaching coding to kids

that's a perfect teaching occasion, then!

Kids: don't use proprietary services just because they are trendy. Prefer always open standards!

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2. Imustaskforhelp ◴[] No.45287488[source]
I am a teenager and I approve this statement!

Although I am not in the nonprofit tbh but maybe one day I would love to apply :>

They sound cool. Sad that bad things happen to the good people.

Slack really is slacking if they are literally asking 195k$ to a literal non profit whose helping kids/teens.

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3. ketzu ◴[] No.45287947[source]
> don't use proprietary services just because they are trendy. Prefer always open standards!

So if you use an open standard, but not self hosted, and your provider tells you "pay 250k or lose all your data in 2 days", I'd say are not necessarily in a better position than they are now.

It's not impossible to migrate off of slack, but migrations take time.

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4. ayoreis ◴[] No.45288263[source]
It's really easy to join! There are lots of cool programs currently running. Maybe wait until next week so the migration is done, but do check our website: https://hackclub.com (we have/had 100k people in the Slack)
5. dijit ◴[] No.45288297[source]
Not being funny, but I can migrate from Zulip SaaS to Zulip Self-hosted in about 45 minutes. The limitation is the speed of my internet.

I know this, because I've done it.

Similarly a migration from self-hosted to SaaS gitlab (though, not back).

Perfect is the enemy of good, but man, it can be pretty close to perfect if you choose your vendors properly.

6. zelphirkalt ◴[] No.45288392[source]
Yep, time to self host one of the awesome self hosting list's chat options. This will teach independence too. I have a ready ansible deployment for zulip using docker in my repos [1], publicly available. All that's needed is a server, setting some variables in ansible, deploying that thing, and adding backups. It will cost significantly less than any slack subscription and will not cost per user.

[1]: https://codeberg.org/ZelphirKaltstahl/server-management/src/...

7. addandsubtract ◴[] No.45289488[source]
Discord server it is! /s (but not really)