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Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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1332 points Qem | 3 comments | 16 Sep 25 08:24 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source
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therobots927 ◴[16 Sep 25 19:22 UTC] No.45266704[source]▶
I for one will be holding my representatives responsible who continue to vote for the US to enable a genocide. The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters.
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mandeepj ◴[16 Sep 25 21:52 UTC] No.45268633[source]▶
> The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters.

Ironically, that was one of the biggest campaign points and voter sentiment on which people flipped to Red. We all know what happened.

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GoatInGrey ◴[16 Sep 25 22:05 UTC] No.45268800[source]▶
People didn't flip to red so much as blue voters in swing states sitting on their hands and abstaining from voting. Now they're looking down the barrel of authoritarianism and they're still unwilling to vote unless Gaza is a fully solved problem. The cruel irony is that this behavior is worsening the situation in Gaza.
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roenxi ◴[16 Sep 25 22:21 UTC] No.45268995[source]▶
If only the blue representatives would resolve this tension by pulling support for a now internationally-recognised genocide! :( I suppose that option is just too radical to put on the table.
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Aunche ◴[16 Sep 25 23:07 UTC] No.45269451[source]▶
The Biden administration brokered and pressured Israel into a ceasefire that asymmetrically disfavored them. Israel exchanged 30 Hamas militants per Israeli hostage. The ceasefire outlined a permanent resolution to the conflict, including Israel's full withdrawal from Gaza. They also pressured Israel to keep aid channels open during the war, which is exceptionally obvious now given significantly longer blockades and that famine broke out under Trump. The 2006 withdrawal from Gaza and Oslo Accords were also brokered by America. Israel would not have agreed to any of this without any security reassurances in the form of military aid.

On the other hand, there is no guarantee that completely cutting off ties with Israel, would make anything better for Gazans. While it's possible there would be fewer civilian casualties, it's also possible there would be more if Israel switched to from precision strikes to ground invasions and dumb weapons.

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Aeolun ◴[17 Sep 25 00:03 UTC] No.45269925[source]▶
Like this whole thing has gone for 70 years in Israel. We already know what comes of the same strategy that was followed for all that time. Doubling down on it now isn’t going to change anything.
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SilverElfin ◴[17 Sep 25 02:05 UTC] No.45270720[source]▶
It has gone on and the people occupying Gaza and the West Bank rejected several two state solutions. And when given the right to vote, they placed Hamas into power and began an Iran backed rocket crusade against Israel. It was capped off by October 7. What solution can work except to let the one democratic society take over the entire region?
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octopoc ◴[17 Sep 25 14:00 UTC] No.45275953{7}[source]▶
Israel interfered in Gaza politics to ensure they had no option but Hamas[1] [2] [3] [4]. If you screw yourself, you shouldn't blame anyone else when you get fucked.

[1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...

[2] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-q...

[3] https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-netanyahu-bolste...

[4] https://theintercept.com/2023/10/14/hamas-israel-palestinian...

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tguvot ◴[17 Sep 25 18:24 UTC] No.45279494{8}[source]▶
Nobody in Israel propped up Hamas to win elections. Palestinian elections in 2006 were forced by USA (because democracy and stuff) despite objections from Israel and PA who were afraid that Hamas will win.

When Hamas won elections (both in west bank and gaza) and assembled government, USA sponsored coup executed by PLO. Coup succeeded in West Bank and failed in Gaza.

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octopoc ◴[17 Sep 25 22:36 UTC] No.45282252{9}[source]▶
Netanyahu literally propped up Hamas at the expense of other options, which you would know if you even just read the headline on the first source I linked. So you disagree with the Times of Israel? Care to elaborate on why you disagree other than just make assertions?
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1. tguvot ◴[17 Sep 25 22:58 UTC] No.45282456{10}[source]▶
Netanyahu wasn't PM betwen 1999 to 2009.

Last general palestinian elections in which hamas won was in 2006.

attempted coup by PLO was in 2007

you will know it, if you will know history.

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2. octopoc ◴[17 Sep 25 23:05 UTC] No.45282514[source]▶
Obviously, but Hamas needed Israel's help to maintain power, which Israel was happy to do. This happened recently, like in the 2020s. In case there's a paywall preventing people from reading my sources, here you go:

> Most of the time, Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset. Far-right MK Bezalel Smotrich, now the finance minister in the hardline government and leader of the Religious Zionism party, said so himself in 2015.

> According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.

[1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...

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3. tguvot ◴[17 Sep 25 23:22 UTC] No.45282663[source]▶
you are moving goal posts. discussion was about gazans electing hamas while been well aware that it's charter calls for destruction of Israel and killing Jews

quoting you "Israel interfered in Gaza politics to ensure they had no option but Hamas".

A few corrections on this topic:

- there was/is no Gaza politics

- Elections were general elections in Palestinian Autonomy

- Both Israel and PA were against elections because they were afraid that Hamas will win but USA forced it because "democracy shall prevail and will resolve everything"

- Hamas won general elections in Palestinian Autonomy in 2006 and assembled government chaired by ismail haniyeh as PM

- USA trained Fatah to coup against legitimate Palestinian government

- Coup succeeded in west bank and failed in gaza in 2007

- During coup, Hamas killed, dragged behind bikes or threw from rooftops those that opposed it

- After coup, Hamas tortured into obedience or killed all opposition

just one example: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/05/gaza-palestin...

and on topic of how hospitals in gaza used, from same article: " Some were interrogated and tortured or otherwise ill-treated in a disused outpatient’s clinic within the grounds of Gaza City’s main al-Shifa hospital."