Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

Consider that the videos of Oct 7 had a similar effect on lots of decent people. The un is the same now as it was before October 7. In gueterres words "it didn't happen in a vacuum". The complete loss of credibility for the un also didn't happen in a vacuum. Even if their report is true it will fall on deaf ears thanks in no small part to their lack of any sort of objectivity when it comes to Israel.

Agreed, UN doesn't have a great reputation in America, I'm skeptical many people will care about this outside the media news cycle

Pew says only 52% percent of Americans had a favorable opinion of UN in 2024 https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/09/05/most-peop...

On a political or legal level for Israel it might have more implications though, that is impossible for them to ignore, but ICJ will focus on the leaders who can avoid visiting certain countries...just like Putin.

October 7 made people in the US demand that their representatives stop supporting genocide? No, it didn’t. It made a lot of supposedly decent people support and even demand evil in their name. At that point you’re just defining “being a decent person” as “if nothing evil happens you won’t be evil” which doesn’t seem like a useful definition.

> Agreed, UN doesn't have a great reputation in America, I'm skeptical many people will care about this outside the media news cycle.

Lots of people will care, but it isn’t going to move a lot of opinions.

> Pew says only 52% percent of Americans had a favorable opinion of UN in 2024

Yes, but it says 57% do in 2025, the first positive change in support since 2022. [0]

But neither is that much more than the 50% that already think Israel is committing genocide [1], and the positions are probably significantly correlated, so this probably isn’t swaying many people that aren’t already convinced.

> On a political or legal level it might have more implications though but ICJ will focus on the leaders who can avoid visiting certain countries.

Always good to see assessments of international legal impacts from people who don’t know that the International Court of Justice deals exclusively with cases between states, and that the standing body that deals with individual offenses that are war crimes, crimes against humanity, and the crime of aggression is the International Criminal Court.

[0] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/09/05/united-na...

[1] https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3929

This was me. I was browsing Hamas' Telegram account as they released the FPV videos that day. The two most disturbing scenes were the pantless body of a teenaged girl being burned amidst chanting of "Allahu Akbar", and militants scouring buildings for any person or pet they could kill and doing just that whenever they found someone.

I learned a very uncomfortable—though valuable—lesson about humans that day.

> Always good to see assessments of international legal impacts from people who don’t know that the International Court of Justice deals exclusively with cases between states, and that the standing body that deals with individual offenses that are war crimes, crimes against humanity, and the crime of aggression is the International Criminal Court.

So what is your expert opinion then? What is the risk to the state of Israel itself if ICJ makes a case against them?

Informing people > admonishing them

this is a baseless conspiracy. There is an entire report going over the operational failures that allowed oct 7th to happen and it wasnt the idf intentionally standing aside to let it happen. Also friend fire is predicted to be in the single digits and I dont think any has actually been confirmed.

Read the UN fact-finding report, particularly starting at page 44 ("Israeli Security Forces counter-offensive and the application of the ‘Hannibal Directive"): https://www.un.org/unispal/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/a-hrc-...

It's true that the casualties of the Israeli counter-offensive can only conclusively be tied to ~20-30 casualties, but for many casualties it's unknown who is responsible, and there is (inconclusive) evidence Israeli fire resulted in the burning of 77 vehicles, many of which were returning to Gaza with captives (or their bodies)

It seems unlikely to me there were fewer than 80 civilian casualties (out of 815) attributable to friendly fire, and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that number is over 200.

Then you must surely be learning something new about humans every day since?

Too bad there weren't many good cameras around during the Nakba, my guess is we'd have some pretty revolting, hainous images to show the world. Hatred doesn't exist in a vacuum, october 7 happened for a reason. The jew got persecuted, that created Zionism which persecuted in return, the circle of hatred is going strong.

That is interesting, why videos from Gaza has strong effects while Oct 7 don't. Or videos from Ukraine don't. Israel bombing a hospital in Gaza is genocide while russians bombing child hospital in Kyiv is ok.

Unfortunately not all nations are equal and many suffers because of that.

Unfortunately truth is: western societies don't actually give a shit about either. It just a "popular" trend to support Palestine / Gaza and for a while that was Ukraine. But reality is that people don't really care enough about any of it. Just like they didn't care about wars in Africa, genocide in Cambodia, etc.

To actually solve big world problems it would take massive investments and sacrifice quality of life for many and increase taxes on rich. Obviously no one would agree. It's way beyond clicking "like" and "repost" buttons on social app or adding UTF-8 country flag to your name.

They shot a building with a tank where Hamas was holding hostages, maybe there wasn't a good solution but blowing up their own citizens without trying is pretty bad. And we don't really know the extent of what happened that day as no independent people were allowed and Zaka cleaned it up quickly. Zaka is an ultra orthodox right wing volunteer organisation and its probably who started the false burned babies story. And then we have the Hannibal directive so its not like Israel is not accustomed to killing their own.

Lets address the elephant in the room. First of all, to be fair no one is ok with russia bombing hospitals. It's just that at this stage sanctions have been maxed out.

Now from watching the coverage of this war you can't help but come to the conclusion that there's an organised but invisible movement opposing the war. The various humanitarian bodies and news outlets like al jazeera and bbc all quote each other in a self reinforcing loop of anti israel talk. If it's not an organised conspiracy at least it's a very strong convergence of interests giving the impression of one.

Historically the main opposition to Israel comes from the Arabs with the European countries joining in with various levels of enthusiasm mainly for the pragmatic reason that the Arabs have all the oil.

The anti american block is also anti israel because that goes against US interests.

It's not surprising then that the UN would be completely taken over by anti israel groups. It's basic maths.

But my point is what is the historic motivation for the anti israel movements? It's definitely not out of great sympathy for the palestinians although that's definitely why most Westerners are pro palestinian, but that's just marketing.

I think i've established fairly well it all comes back to the Arabs. And their motivation without a question is genocidal anti semitism. They are just upset the Germans didn't finish off their job and they are taking everyone else along for the ride.

I'm not saying there can be no legitimate opposition to Israel, but it's my belief, backed up by a certain amount of historical evidence that most of the opposition from official sources has its roots in anti semitism.

Yeah, that never happened.

>> It's just that at this stage sanctions have been maxed out.

That is not true. Political will to introduce sanctions is maxed out. And current US administration has even less interest in doing so than previous.

>>But my point is what is the historic motivation for the anti israel movements? It's definitely not out of great sympathy for the palestinians although that's definitely why most Westerners are pro palestinian, but that's just marketing.I think i've established fairly well it all comes back to the Arabs.

Funny enough, no Arab country wants to really help Palestinians, to open borders for refugees. To host palestinians who lost wars with Israel.

Meanwhile, the bombs exploding in Kyiv weren't sold to Russia by the US.

It's the same story with the Epstein list. No one gives shit about victims. Trump and GOP did much more horrible things, like literally killing people with their actions. But sex with underage girls takes all the attention and the blame. So all other Trump's crimes, which are countless to this point, are getting faded.

And why in the world do you think it didn't? I haven't seen the particular video he's referring to but I've seen enough that I do not find his claim unreasonable.

Remember that 47 minutes of video Israel was screening for reporters but did not release? They've gotten permission from some of the families and have released part of it. You definitely see people being killed on camera.

And the really important part isn't the video itself, but that it's stuff that Hams people chose to post on social media. Something to be cheered, not a horror.

Fundamentally, Gaza has a strong effect because so much effort is made to shove it in our faces as a way of attacking Israel.

Virtually no mention to the far worse horrors Iran is perpetrating elsewhere.

The only people that accuse the UN for 'loss of credibility' are the religious fanatics in Tel Aviv, who are angry at the UN for not indulging their 3000-year old mythological delusions.

Because it would be in the Hamas-massacre.net site if it was real. That's an IDF run site. They can't even confirm any rape victims on that site. They only have non-confirmed allegations on that site.

And, no, they didn't get permission from any of the other victims families to publish on that site.

So, the IDF literally has no direct confirmation of rape.