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random9749832[dead post] ◴[] No.45267646[source]
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dotancohen[dead post] ◴[] No.45267975[source]
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bsaul ◴[] No.45268204[source]
you were downvoted because people don't have any argument against your point : jews couldn't stop the holocaust by just surrendering, like hamas does.

The two situations have absolutely nothing in common.

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1. actionfromafar ◴[] No.45268232[source]
So as long as there is one Hamas left standing, everyone around must die. This is what you mean?

Edit: can the non-Hamas surrender and avoid getting killed? They can't and the situations on the ground aren't that different. A Warzaw and Gazan survivor would have a lot in common.

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2. dotancohen ◴[] No.45268246[source]
So as long as there is one Hamas left standing, he could return the hostages and end the war.
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3. actionfromafar ◴[] No.45268335[source]
So, you don't disagree. That's pretty telling.
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4. adhamsalama ◴[] No.45268460[source]
That's if the Israeli army won't kill the captives after they're freed.
5. SilverElfin ◴[] No.45268611{3}[source]
Nor do you. Why can’t Hamas surrender and turn over hostages? Why should Israel put up with a continued threat against its residents of any magnitude?
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6. actionfromafar ◴[] No.45268710{4}[source]
Can the non-Hamas surrender and live? No, they can just stay and die. Tell me, what should a non-Hamas member in Gaza do right now to avoid getting bombed?

Edit: I found your answer to that question:

https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=45268680&goto=threads%...

Paraphrased, the children are part of the culture and may die. There are no civilians.

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7. dotancohen ◴[] No.45268755{5}[source]

  > what should a non-Hamas member in Gaza do right now to avoid getting bombed
Evacuate when told to by the IDF. It's terrible, but it's better than being bombed.

But you are correct - the responsibility to end the war and prevent further civilian casualties lies squarely with Hamas. Pressure them to return the hostages, don't pressure Israel to capitulate to terrorists.

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8. actionfromafar ◴[] No.45268816{6}[source]
Except in practice, IDF bombs "safe" areas too. There's no out.

But it seems you are getting your way, we will find out exactly how many dead are acceptable to mr Bibi.

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