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pfexec ◴[] No.45220059[source]
Debian is known to have made similar monstrously stupid decisions.

For example, they patch OpenSSH source code in a way that makes defaults behave differently than upstream. In the name of backwards compatibility of course.

I assume this will continue until it doesn't anymore, and the only notification you shall receive from the ivory tower is a cryptic one-liner buried in a changelog somewhere.

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burnt-resistor ◴[] No.45220200[source]
Russ Allbery left over bureaucracy and systemd. It sounds like it's chocked full of people who want power and an excuse to patch downstream to create a cottage industry of quirks, busywork, and codependency.

I prefer real choice and light patches that try to upstream as much as possible, or workaround upstream obstinacy rather than create incompatible idiosyncrasies. One area that isn't well represented in barely a/no distro is init freedom neither married to nor completely divorced from the sprawling octopus.

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1. actionfromafar ◴[] No.45220336[source]
I don't think you can be partly married to Cuthulhu. (Systemd.)
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2. styanax ◴[] No.45220539[source]
[ eldritch noises intensify ]

As an actual answer, it's not too bad on Debian; we only really use/need: systemd (system and user), -logind, -journald, -udevd. All in all, not too many tentacles but there are a few...