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netsharc ◴[] No.45167080[source]
So where's the donkey and where's the cart.

It reads like: citizens have been protesting the government using social media, government desperate to curb dissent bans social media, dissent is now on the streets..

Or maybe it's as straightforward as the media has been reporting.

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1. paganel ◴[] No.45167140[source]
It shows that the Nepalese have a higher civic response compared to many in the West, just look at the Brits, where in effect there is a social media ban on lots and lots of things that affect day-to-day life.
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2. FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.45167158[source]
Because people in the West have been indoctrinated to trust their governments far too much to an unhealthy degree to actually think that maybe their government doesn't have their best interest at heart and to start protesting.

And also because they're in the trap of a government provided cushy lifestyle which the government can terminate at will without violence (de-banking, de-pensioning, de-uneployment, de-social housing, etc) if they're caught protesting. People in underdeveloped countries don't have anything more to loose anyway but their chains.

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3. jama211 ◴[] No.45167183[source]
Let’s not pretend the level of ban is equivalent, or the effect it has on people’s lives. More should be done, but there are levels of severity. UK citizens can and do still log on to many services daily that are not accessible in Nepal.
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4. myrmidon ◴[] No.45167329[source]
> Because people in the West have been indoctrinated to trust their governments far too much to an unhealthy degree

Can you give specific examples?

I frequently find the US outlook to be exactly the reverse, where people pretend like "the government" is some conspiratorial shadow organisation undermining all the citizens at every step (which seems quite silly to me because it basically consists only of people that you directly or indirectly voted for).

My view is that if you have incompetent, selfish administrators in a western democracy, then just don't vote for them next time; if they keep getting elected, then maybe your countries actual problem are the idiot voters instead (or possibly not-actually-independent mass media, the importance of which can not be overstated).

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6. FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.45167384{3}[source]
>Can you give specific examples?

Most rich western/northern European countries.

>which seems quite silly to me because it basically consists only of people that you directly or indirectly voted for

It's not silly when you consider that the candidates you can vote for, are all managed oppositions, each owned and supported by various mega-money interest groups. Why else did Bernie Sanders never got nominated as a presidential candidate even though many people supported him? Because he's not bought and paid for by the lobbyist groups. In every country it's like that.

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7. glhaynes ◴[] No.45167475{4}[source]
Why else did Bernie Sanders never got nominated as a presidential candidate even though many people supported him?

Because more people supported someone else.

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8. myrmidon ◴[] No.45167532{4}[source]
I'm not disputing that there is gonna be some degree of plutocracy when political funding is uncontrolled and media presence can be bought for cheap.

But I think "managed opposition is the best you can get as voter" is incorrect; Trump is in my view neither managed nor "pro-establishment" in any way, and if everything was actually under "capitalist" control, then people like Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez or Tim Walz would never be allowed even close to a position of power.

Anti-establishment populists in Europe have seen comparable success (e.g. Italy where they are in power, or Germany where it just looks like a matter of time).

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9. ta1243 ◴[] No.45167596[source]
The only ban on media I've seen is from Farage, who's banned the media from covering local government where he has the power

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-media-...

Trump has a similar playbook.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-ap-white-house-press-pool-b...

Then there's also the normal US style limits (fighting words are banned, speech which harms big companies is banned, "obscenity" is restricted or banned, death threats to the president are banned (the UK also bans threats to people who aren't the president)

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10. FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.45167620{5}[source]
>Trump is in my view neither managed

Bruh.

> Italy where they are in power

Melloni only pretended to be anti establishment to win elections, but isn't. She campaigned on deporting illegals, and then gave them residency and right to work lol. Tell me a bigger rug pull. Trump is the same, he campaigned on a lot of things(Epstein list anyone?), but not actually executed on them or only did it only as a show (DOGE).

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11. salawat ◴[] No.45167727{5}[source]
Wrong. Democratic super delegates overrode the nomination in favor of someone more friendly to the true pro-business party line.
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12. JackFr ◴[] No.45167758{4}[source]
> supported by various mega-money interest groups

‘Mega-money interest’ groups are a bugaboo for people who find it hard to accept that a large swath of the public doesn’t agree with them.

13. koonsolo ◴[] No.45168036[source]
Hey, Belgian here. Our government cannot just de-bank, de-pension or de- anything else you are suggesting, and definitely not by the "crime" of protesting (what a ridiculous statement!)

We protest here too by the way, this weekend about 100k in Brussels.

That you make these claims is just plain up ridiculous.

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14. rkomorn ◴[] No.45168068[source]
News to me that the French, for example, trust their government and do not protest.
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15. glhaynes ◴[] No.45168294{6}[source]
Democratic super delegates overrode the nomination

This literally didn't happen. This sort of conspiracy-theorizing nonsense is akin to Trump's about the 2020 election and has lead to a bunch of low-info voters making bad decisions.

16. FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.45168412{3}[source]
Are you aware that the world(and Europe for that matter) is much larger than Belgium, with way different laws on what the state can do to you?

For example in Canada they de-banked the truckers, in Germany they de-pensioned a retiree who was planning to bring back the Kaiser.

So yeah, it happens, you're just ignorant from your bubble.

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17. FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.45168569{3}[source]
Trust is orthogonal to protests. Frech protest when the government takes away their gibs, not because it's spying on them.
18. graemep ◴[] No.45168806{3}[source]
People will speak negatively of the government, but also have learned helplessness regarding things like surveillance.

An attitude that has become common in the UK is to say the government needs powers control the "gammon" (i.e. the hoi polloi) from themselves, and to protect their children from their terrible parents, etc.

19. paganel ◴[] No.45168889[source]
Of course they log in, I never said otherwise, but only if they want to write about stuff that is pretty much inconsequential to their lives, such as sports or celebrity culture.
20. gadders ◴[] No.45169292[source]
>>the UK also bans threats to people who aren't the president

It also bans non-specific jokey threats and arrests you with five armed police officers.

21. myrmidon ◴[] No.45169324{6}[source]
Trump is "managed" by whom, then? Musk? The Koch brothers? George Soros?

I don't see why you would ever want some mercurial populist in power if you are rich and established; risks to wealth/investments wastly outweight any potential gains from billionaire-friendly tax policy (and you could lobby for such tax policy elsewhere, as well).

22. koonsolo ◴[] No.45171673{4}[source]
You were talking about "people in the West". Belgians are people in the west, and we don't comply to your statements.

Secondly, I don't believe a word you say about Germany. Source please.

Don't generalize what happened once in Canada to the whole "Western world" and all kinds of de-.... And as far as I remember, those truckers were protesting. So they certainly didn't comply to your description of being indoctrinated to trust their government.