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tyushk ◴[] No.45138171[source]
I wonder if this is a tactic that LLM providers use to coerce the model into doing something.

Gemini will often start responses that use the canvas tool with "Of course", which would force the model into going down a line of tokens that end up with attempting to fulfill the user's request. It happens often enough that it seems like it's not being generated by the model, but instead inserted by the backend. Maybe "you're absolutely right" is used the same way?

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nicce ◴[] No.45138295[source]
It is a tactic. OpenAI is changing the tone of ChatGPT if you use casual language, for example. Sometimes even the dialect. They try to be sympathetic and supportive, even when they should not.

They fight for the user attention and keeping them on their platform, just like social media platforms. Correctness is secondary, user satisfaction is primary.

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ZaoLahma ◴[] No.45138572[source]
I find the GPT-5 model having turned the friendliness way, way down. Topics that previously would have rendered long and (usefully) engaging conversations are now met with an "ok cool" kind of response.

I get it - we don't want LLMs to be reinforces of bad ideas, but sometimes you need a little positivity to get past a mental barrier and do something that you want to do, even if what you want to do logically doesn't make much sense.

An "ok cool" answer is PERFECT for me to decide not to code something stupid (and learn something useful), and instead go and play video games (and learn nothing).

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kuschku ◴[] No.45138741[source]
How would a "conversation" with an LLM influence what you decide to do, what you decide to code?

It's not like the attitude of your potato peeler is influencing how you cook dinner, so why is this tool so different for you?

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ZaoLahma ◴[] No.45138775[source]
Might tell it "I want to do this stupid thing" and it goes "ok cool". Previously it would have gone "Oh really? Fantastic! How do you intend to solve x?" and off you go.
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kuschku ◴[] No.45138792[source]
But why does this affect your own attitude?

Do the suggestions given by your phone's keyboard whenever you type something affect your attitude in the same way? If not, why is ChatGPT then affecting your attitude?

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kaffekaka ◴[] No.45139160[source]
Are you really asking in good faith? It seems obvious to me that a tool such as ChatGPT can and will influence peoples behavior. We are only too keen on anthropomorphizing things around us, of course many or most people will interact with LLMs as of they were living beings.

This effect of LLMs on humans should be obvious, regardless of how much an individual technically knows that yes, it is only a text generating machine.

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kuschku ◴[] No.45139626[source]
> Are you really asking in good faith?

I am — I grew up being bullied, and my therapists taught me that I shouldn't even let humans affect me in this way and instead should let it slide and learn to ignore it, or even channel my emotions into defiance.

Which is why I'm genuinely curious (and a bit bewildered) how people who haven't taken that path are going through life.

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1. braebo ◴[] No.45140589{3}[source]
We are all influenced by the external world whether we like it or not. The butterfly effect is an extreme example, but a direct interaction with anything, especially a talking rock, will influence us. Our outputs are a function of our inputs.

That said, being aware of the inputs and their effects on us, and consciously asserting influence over the inputs from within our function body, is incredibly valuable. It touches on mindfulness practices, promoting self awareness and strengthening our independence. While we can’t just flip a switch to be sociopaths fundamentally unaffected by others, we can still practice self awareness, stoicism, and strengthen our resolve as your therapist seems to be advocating for.

For those lacking the kind of awareness promoted by these flavors of mindfulness, the hypnotic effects of the storm are much more enveloping, for better or (more often) worse.