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I'm absolutely right

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tyushk ◴[] No.45138171[source]
I wonder if this is a tactic that LLM providers use to coerce the model into doing something.

Gemini will often start responses that use the canvas tool with "Of course", which would force the model into going down a line of tokens that end up with attempting to fulfill the user's request. It happens often enough that it seems like it's not being generated by the model, but instead inserted by the backend. Maybe "you're absolutely right" is used the same way?

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nicce ◴[] No.45138295[source]
It is a tactic. OpenAI is changing the tone of ChatGPT if you use casual language, for example. Sometimes even the dialect. They try to be sympathetic and supportive, even when they should not.

They fight for the user attention and keeping them on their platform, just like social media platforms. Correctness is secondary, user satisfaction is primary.

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ZaoLahma ◴[] No.45138572[source]
I find the GPT-5 model having turned the friendliness way, way down. Topics that previously would have rendered long and (usefully) engaging conversations are now met with an "ok cool" kind of response.

I get it - we don't want LLMs to be reinforces of bad ideas, but sometimes you need a little positivity to get past a mental barrier and do something that you want to do, even if what you want to do logically doesn't make much sense.

An "ok cool" answer is PERFECT for me to decide not to code something stupid (and learn something useful), and instead go and play video games (and learn nothing).

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kuschku ◴[] No.45138741[source]
How would a "conversation" with an LLM influence what you decide to do, what you decide to code?

It's not like the attitude of your potato peeler is influencing how you cook dinner, so why is this tool so different for you?

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ZaoLahma ◴[] No.45138775[source]
Might tell it "I want to do this stupid thing" and it goes "ok cool". Previously it would have gone "Oh really? Fantastic! How do you intend to solve x?" and off you go.
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kuschku ◴[] No.45138792[source]
But why does this affect your own attitude?

Do the suggestions given by your phone's keyboard whenever you type something affect your attitude in the same way? If not, why is ChatGPT then affecting your attitude?

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peepee1982 ◴[] No.45139465[source]
This sounds like a contrarian troll question. Every tool we use has an effect on our attitudes in many subtle and sometimes not so subtle ways. It's one of the reasons so many of us are obsessed with tools.
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1. kuschku ◴[] No.45139671[source]
> This sounds like a contrarian troll question.

See the sibling comment regarding my motivations for this question

> It's one of the reasons so many of us are obsessed with tools.

That's answering another question I never really understood.

So you choose tools based on the vibe they give you, because you want to get into a certain mood to do certain things?

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2. peepee1982 ◴[] No.45148008[source]
I choose tools based on many reason. But the vibe they give me has a lot of weight, yes.

Another example: if you give me two programming fonts to choose from that are both reasonably legible, I'll have a strong preferance for one over the other. And if I know I'm free to use my favorite programming font, I'll be more motivated to tackle a programming problem that I don't really feel like tackling because I'd rather tackler some other problem.

If the programming problem itself is interesting enough to pull me towards it, the programming font will have less of an effect on me.

Do you see where I'm going with this? A lot of little things pile up every day, each one influencing our decisions in small ways. Recognizing those things and becoming aware of them lets us - over time and many tiny adjustments - change our environment in ways that reduces friction and is conducive to our enjoyment of day-to-day life.

It's not that I necessarily won't be doing something because I'm unable to do it exactly the way I enjoy most. It'll just be more draining because now I have to put in more effort to get myself going and stay focused on the task.