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465 points susanthenerd | 2 comments | 26 Aug 25 15:12 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source
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kristianp ◴[26 Aug 25 22:24 UTC] No.45033106[source]▶
You've got a 16 inch Laptop, why are the arrow keys so tiny! And where's the PgUp PgDn Home End Insert Delete cluster? I wish a design-based shop like Framework would have some leadership in the keyboard area. This is why I have been exclusively Thinkpads for my last 3 laptops.

Something more niche is that I also enjoy the mouse buttons above the trackpad, I can move with the thumb and click with a finger.

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psolidgold ◴[27 Aug 25 05:02 UTC] No.45035641[source]▶
The keyboards have full NKRO support and are fully mappable with QMK firmware, plus they offer blank key caps AND a macro or numpad input module. That feels like plenty of leadership to me - that's unheard of in any other laptop. Can't please everyone I guess.
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eviks ◴[27 Aug 25 08:26 UTC] No.45036871[source]▶
If they designed their keyboard ergonomically, they wouldn't need numpad modules. But yes, can't please everyone, too many people with low standards easily pleasable
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illiac786 ◴[27 Aug 25 20:14 UTC] No.45044596[source]▶
Bit pedantic… being satisfied with less is a quality, let’s not forget this.
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copperx ◴[30 Aug 25 05:08 UTC] No.45072052[source]▶
Positive or negative quality?
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illiac786 ◴[30 Aug 25 06:46 UTC] No.45072437[source]▶
To me, it’s a positive quality.
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eviks ◴[03 Sep 25 01:36 UTC] No.45111330[source]▶
Universally? Even if it leads to decades of rsi-health-dangerously poor manufacturing quality?
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illiac786 ◴[03 Sep 25 03:55 UTC] No.45112125[source]▶
Depends on the context, but generally yes. It’s not new, it’s called asceticism, frugality, many other names I guess.

Also, asking for more is very rarely a form of altruism: no one asks for more to avoid (others) “decades of rsi-health-dangerously poor manufacturing quality”, it’s generally for one’s own benefit, nothing more.

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eviks ◴[03 Sep 25 11:41 UTC] No.45114586[source]▶
Well, you know the context: it's bad keyboards that cause health issues. Asceticism etc doesn't fit, such a person wouldn't even buy this new premium laptop model. The altruism angle is also puzzling - is it bad to look after your own health or what?
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1. illiac786 ◴[03 Sep 25 11:53 UTC] No.45114676[source]▶
Ah, my mistake, you were talking about _your_ decades.

Well then, back to standard answer then: pick another laptop.

I really thought for a moment we were discussing the general crowd and why they should/could/must insist on ergonomic keyboards in general, but we misunderstood each other it seems.

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2. eviks ◴[03 Sep 25 12:45 UTC] No.45115060[source]▶
Nah, your mistake it much more basic - you confuse me with everyone or "is very rarely" with "never".

> back to standard answer then This is not an answer to any of the questions. But you're right, standards of conversations are just as bad as those of hardware manufacturers

> I really thought for a moment we were discussing the general crowd

I was, but then you've made up a world where no one cares about anyone else, so tried to wipe that reality off your conceptual map.