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operator-name ◴[] No.45108624[source]
In the west we have “No Animals Were Harmed in the making of …”, which I’m only just learning comes from the American Humane Society: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Humane_Society#No_A...

I had always thought it were a generic phrase!

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germinalphrase ◴[] No.45109860[source]
Tripwiring (and thus fatally wounding) horses was quite a thing back in the day.
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kulahan ◴[] No.45110158[source]
Wasn't there some horrible story about the number of animals killed in the filming of Homeward Bound or some similar movie? I simply cannot comprehend the callousness of people towards animals back then. I guess our cultures are simply too different, but it genuinely seems like people saw all animals as "things" until, like, the 1950s or something like that. What the heck?
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adriand ◴[] No.45111281[source]
> I guess our cultures are simply too different, but it genuinely seems like people saw all animals as "things" until, like, the 1950s or something like that.

There’s a weird disconnect where people ignore or are wilfully ignorant of cruelty to animals in industrial food production but are sensitive to it in virtually every other context. I saw a woman the other day who was tending to an injured pigeon and had called animal welfare people to come tend to it. Meanwhile, millions of chickens live in appalling conditions and die horrible deaths en masse.

I am genuinely unsure where this disconnect comes from. I was the same for most of my life but a few years ago, I started thinking about the animals I was eating and then I couldn’t eat them any more.

I don’t begrudge people their compassion. A few nights ago I went outside to put some stuff on the barbecue and my wife was in the backyard, concerned for the fate of a female cardinal that had flown into our sunroom window. It was stunned and couldn’t fly. Its mate was worriedly flitting through nearby bushes. “That’s so sad,” my wife said. “Yes,” I agreed, and then I put her skewers of meat on the barbecue.

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keiferski ◴[] No.45112051[source]
It is mostly just proximity and framing. A hurt wild animal is alive and right in front of you. Meat from the grocery store is a prepackaged product that isn’t mentally associated with the bloody process behind the scenes required to get it there. The commercial aspect is pretty dependent on this distancing.

Case-in-point: I once stayed in a small town in Morocco for a few weeks. There wasn’t a grocery store nearby, just a market, and if you wanted chicken, they killed it in front of you. Needless to say, being directly confronted with the process…I didn’t eat meat the entire time.

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1. cylemons ◴[] No.45113432[source]
Also a matter of purpose, killing animals for food is more acceptable than killing them for sport or entertainment
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2. yurishimo ◴[] No.45114128[source]
Exactly this. Meat is a huge source of nutrition. Even though in our modern western society, we might not "need" to eat meat, but it's a hearty, plentiful, accessible protein and fat that stores well and can be easily moved and replicated quickly. It's simply much more practical still to keep eating meat in much of the world. I'm not going to go into the arguments about our biology either, but I think it's safe to say that our bodies are also very finely tuned to eat and process organic (from organisms) meat and use it as fuel. Sure, you can feed your cat a vegan diet or whatever and replace all of the vitamins, but there is no denying that the more "natural" way would be to just eat the meat and be done with it.

Many of the arguments for veganism come alongside ideas for better animal welfare, but the two are not mutually exclusive. The only reason we don't eat grandma after she dies is because it's culturally unacceptable. We can apply more respect and reverence to meat production without stopping entirely or pretending that the benefits of eating meat don't exist.

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3. aziaziazi ◴[] No.45114292[source]
One could say the same with slaves: slaves for work are more acceptable than for fun.
4. throwway120385 ◴[] No.45115460[source]
Eating Grandma is actually a really good way to get parasites and prion diseases, so there's more to it than just cultural acceptability. The reason we don't risk parasites from farmed meat is because it's dewormed and treated and inspected and cleaned.
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5. yurishimo ◴[] No.45115991{3}[source]
I mean, sure. But we could do all of those same things to Grandma in 2025 as well.
6. antonvs ◴[] No.45116220{3}[source]
"Time for your deworming, Granny! I'm hungry!"
7. DonHopkins ◴[] No.45116361{3}[source]
Free Range Grandma is more humane, but has more parasites.
8. chithanh ◴[] No.45120614[source]
In the developed world and large parts of the developing world, meat is consumed for entirely hedonic reasons (ie. for pleasure). I would not consider this materially different from killing for sports or entertainment.
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9. cylemons ◴[] No.45125479[source]
It is different tho, atleast eating meat is nutritionally beneficial while killing for sports is a waste of time.
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10. cylemons ◴[] No.45125519[source]
Also, culture is shaped by biology, our brains are wired to find meat delicious because it gives us the proteins we need to survive.
11. felurx ◴[] No.45149181{3}[source]
You would spend some time outdoors being active, which is good for you but also entirely possible without killing animals. I'd argue that's the same for meat.