Chicago has the most lead pipes in the nation

Crime’s down in Chicago. 2024 saw a ~6-7% drop:

https://www.chicagopolice.org/wp-content/uploads/2024-CPD-An...

There are pages of tables comparing 2023 and 2024 on page 108. Sadly, they don’t go back multiple years.

Page 112 says there were 9112 aggravated assaults in 2024.

Page 10 of the 2004 report says there were 18,731 that year.

I’m sure you can find someone that’s graphed the trends online. Maybe an LLM can do it. Anyway, there isn’t a violent crime crisis in Chicago.

Reports going back to the 1990’s: https://www.chicagopolice.org/statistics-data/statistical-re...

Crime statistics are virtually all based on arrest and police reports.

When crimes aren't prosecuted the police don't make arrests and the public don't make reports.

Crime stats are basically useless if the prosecutors aren't bringing charges, which is exactly what's happening all over the country.

That's a typical weekend in the US for a population the size of Chicago, nothing out of the ordinary for US fun culture.

The abhorrent level of crime is spread across the country, largely perpetuated by those who refuse to consider gun control. There were 16,576 gun deaths in the US in 2024, excluding suicides. 45 every day. About a third of those are children.

Chicago is close to 1% of the population of the US. Looking at three days, seeing a cluster of shootings, and not having the stats or basic business experience to understand the basic Possion distribution of events, is malpractice.

Whoever told you to be upset at Chicago, but not about the mass gun violence every day, tricked you. You got fooled.

It's quite the claim to say that the police are hiding violent crime reports. It would be a massive indictment of local police departments.

What evidence do you have of this dereliction of duty?

Crime is down just based on the actual numbers (also anecdotally from someone who has spent the majority of their life in/around the city) and for most people the city is pretty safe right now. While there is violence this sort of pearl clutching historically hurts those exact communities you're talking about (and also is not how the people I've met from those communities described their experiences anyway).

> It would be a massive indictment of local police departments

And be against their self interests. When crime is up, police get more money.

Crime is up like crazy. Crime reporting within departments is down

Chicago has nearly 4x the murder rate and 2x the violent crime rate compared to the US at large.

Based on what?

Yet it isn't even in the top 20 cities for murder, nor the top 50 for overall crime. The only reason so many are focusing specifically on Chicago is because their cult leader told them to.

Crime is only down because you're comparing against the pandemic highs. If you look at the long term trends, it's still up and to the right compared to 10 years ago and previous to that. The fact you are okay with this disgusting level of violence in minority communities is really something else.

> That's a typical weekend in the US for a population the size of Chicago, nothing out of the ordinary for US fun culture.

This is an outright lie. Why don't you care about the lives being lost in Chicago?

Chicago has double the rate of homicide relative to LA, double the amount of rapes and 50% more robberies.

Why are you okay with just letting Chicago live in such high levels of violence by trying to pooh pooh away the facts?

Chicago is the 3rd largest city in the US and has the highest total number of murders in the US. Why does this not matter to you?

This just isn't true... none of the available data backs up these claims. Go back 10, 20, even 30 years and the trend has only lowered. Crime peaked in the early nineties and even the COVID spike didn't come close to that peak. If you're going to make such outlandish claims, then you'd better have something other than feels backing you.

I made no such claim, merely pointed out the absurdity of focusing so much on Chicago while completely ignoring other places like Dayton. How come you're flat out ignoring the TWENTY other cities with a higher murder rate? It's completely disingenuous of you to focus on total murders when one surely understands that total population ultimately drives that value.

Why would cops not report on crime?

Seems counter to the incentive structures of police departments.

Arrest stats are also at historic lows.

Criminal complaints are at historic lows.

Murder, which is kinda hard to “juke the stats”, is at historic lows.

Where is your evidence?

Are there any robust alternate crime tracking methods? Drug metabolites in sewage? Shotspotter data? Insurance claims? Replacement car windows per capita? GPS data? There must be enough alternative metrics to make it possible to compare crime and enforcement.

"disgusting level of violence in minority communities" -> this is so clearly an insulting way to refer to these communities it boggles the mind that someone would say it while accusing someone else of not being concerned enough. These communities have people I like and care about so I do care about these communities, which is exactly why I am careful about what I say and don't compare them to warzones or tell them about what violence is like in their communities (it reeks of the same condescension towards these communities that I grew up with in the suburbs).

If you're in these communities in Chicago then I'm sorry but judging from your general ignorance of Chicago it seems pretty clear that you are not.

Not parent, and I don’t know about Chicago (I’ve never even visited Illinois), but if the police response is unsatisfying, people just don’t bother to report many crimes to the police. It is common for many ordinary people not to report property crimes unless required by an insurer, and many violent crimes against minorities or troubled people also go unreported due to lack of trust in the police.

You're either grossly misinformed or deliberately lying. Crime peaked in the 90s and has not returned to those levels at any point.

Even during the pandemic peaks i never felt unsafe in the city.

Total numbers are meaningless. Per capita is what counts. I'm certain you know this.

CPD has not stopped prosecuting anyone.

Almost all of the 2024 report talks about community trust in police. There’s a reason the crime stats start on page 108.

They also have stats on number of times people call or report crimes vs. number of arrests, gun pulls, etc.

Those stats overwhelmingly disprove the theory that trust in the police department has eroded and people are no longer reporting crime.

The reports I linked include everything the police department does, including picking up the phone, number of times the officers are sent out, number of times guns are pulled, discharged, number of times a suspect is pursued, subdued, handcuffed, etc.

Rather than believe and re-repeat lies from propaganda outlets (we have really good propaganda in the US and it uses social media to spread), check primary sources.

It takes less time than writing this comment did.

For things like shoplifting, that's plausible. But I have a hard time believing that murder rates are down because people are just ignoring dead bodies.

600 people were murdered in Chicago. Absolute numbers matter. How can you say that it doesn’t matter?

Those stats actually indicate to me that many crimes are being under-reported, at least by certain groups. Compare the race & gender distribution of murder and aggravated assaults to other crimes; murders are obviously well-reported, but I highly suspect that the same people who are likely to be murdered are also likely to be robbed, battered, and assaulted, yet certain minorities make up much smaller proportions of reported victims in the 'less-heinous crimes'.

Additionally, while you think that the ordering of the report is in order of police’s priorities, I (more cynically) think it reflects them ‘burying’ the numbers.

It is pure racism to not stop the violence in the Black and Brown communities in Chicago. They are suffering a debilitated life living under the threat of constant violence and you are perpetuating it for some reason that I don't understand.

Cut the crap, 'cause you don't actually care. It's blatantly obvious that you're either pulling off a weak troll or are willfully ignorant.

This is why the gold standard violent crime metric is homicides, which are consistently reported everywhere. Homicides in Chicago are sharply down (bears repeating that Chicago is nowhere near the top of the violent crime leaderboard in America --- it's just a lot bigger than people think it is).