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465 points susanthenerd | 3 comments | 26 Aug 25 15:12 UTC | HN request time: 0.002s | source
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kristianp ◴[26 Aug 25 22:24 UTC] No.45033106[source]▶
You've got a 16 inch Laptop, why are the arrow keys so tiny! And where's the PgUp PgDn Home End Insert Delete cluster? I wish a design-based shop like Framework would have some leadership in the keyboard area. This is why I have been exclusively Thinkpads for my last 3 laptops.

Something more niche is that I also enjoy the mouse buttons above the trackpad, I can move with the thumb and click with a finger.

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psolidgold ◴[27 Aug 25 05:02 UTC] No.45035641[source]▶
The keyboards have full NKRO support and are fully mappable with QMK firmware, plus they offer blank key caps AND a macro or numpad input module. That feels like plenty of leadership to me - that's unheard of in any other laptop. Can't please everyone I guess.
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eviks ◴[27 Aug 25 08:26 UTC] No.45036871[source]▶
If they designed their keyboard ergonomically, they wouldn't need numpad modules. But yes, can't please everyone, too many people with low standards easily pleasable
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1. KyleBerezin ◴[02 Sep 25 18:20 UTC] No.45107006[source]▶
As someone who has been stuck with 13 inch laptops for years, and loves numpads, this is categorically false. With even a day of practice you will massively overtake your numerical typing speed with a numpad. If you have issues with it, you can try putting the numpad module on the left. Some people swear by it.
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2. eviks ◴[03 Sep 25 01:33 UTC] No.45111313[source]▶
> categorically false. With even a day of practice you will massively overtake your numerical typing speed with a numpad.

Speaking of categorically false... How would you even know if you if you've been stuck with the default bad layout on 13 inch?

With a good layout your laptop would have keys laid out in a way that is even more comfortable than those of a standard standalone numpad (which ignores the difference in finger length), so your claim that worse layout is magically massively faster is just categorically implausible.

You're just likely confused because you compare numpad to the unergonomic horizontal 1234567890 number layer, but no, you'll have a bumps numpad layer at your fingertips, so count moving your hands right to a separate module and returning back left into typing speed as well...

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3. KyleBerezin ◴[03 Sep 25 16:22 UTC] No.45117595[source]▶
I also own an external keyboard. Life dictates that I do most of my work outside of my home or office though so most of my typing gets done on the integrated keyboard. Also, are you talking about an ergo keyboard? That is an unreasonable critique, what laptop has an ergo keyboard? I don't use a numbpad when I need to write a single '2' mid sentence. I use it for stuff like ip addresses, that whole 5-8 region feels so awkward, and I hate sliding my hands that far up the palmrest.