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TuringNYC ◴[] No.45104348[source]
I live in a community full of high-achieving GenZ who did 4-7 AP courses, studied their butts off for the SAT, got into good universities....only to not find any jobs when they graduate with STEM degrees. A dozen neighbors' kids have been asking me for zero-salary jobs just to get experience.
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1. the_snooze ◴[] No.45104550[source]
For any current students reading this, it's entirely doable to finish your program with real experience and connections under your belt. Not just with internships, but TA, research, and student org leadership experience absolutely count too. There are tons of overlooked low-stakes zero-experience opportunities available only to university students, and it's really useful to develop the habit of identifying and pursuing those.
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2. solardev ◴[] No.45104595[source]
Who's hiring even those people?
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3. mathiaspoint ◴[] No.45104746[source]
Do not go to college if you have to spend any money on it. If you do that's everyone telling that you don't belong there and you'll have a hard life if you ignore them.
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4. culturestate ◴[] No.45104894[source]
> Do not go to college if you have to spend any money on it.

“If your family isn’t well-off or you didn’t work hard enough in high school to get any scholarships, college isn’t for you” is certainly an interesting take, and it seems like a much too simplistic heuristic.

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5. mathiaspoint ◴[] No.45104949{3}[source]
If your parents are paying for it that's still spending money on it.
6. nostrebored ◴[] No.45105047[source]
This is a take that maybe makes sense for wealthy children or the upper middle class?

I paid for school (admittedly not that much, I stayed in state and lived in relatively poor accommodations). I’m also the only one of my siblings to not be a felon or dead before 45. Life is often a game of deltas: given the same or similar starting conditions, where did you wind up?

If you keep making delta positive outcomes, eventually you’ll wind up somewhere interesting.

7. kashunstva ◴[] No.45105772[source]
> Do not go to college if you have to spend any money on it.

I cannot think of a single person in my extended family across three generations for whom that heuristic is true. I don’t doubt that it applies in some situations. I can’t tell you what the actual ROI is; but “belonging there” seems a little encumbered by assumptions about the diversity of ways and timings in which young people develop academically and emotionally.

8. the_snooze ◴[] No.45105877[source]
When I was an undergrad researcher back during the height of the Great Financial Crisis, I had a handful of internship and full-time offers at various national labs and similar orgs thanks to my supervisor tipping me off about those opportunities and making introductions on my behalf.

When you participate in things beyond your classes, you get an "in" on certain paths unavailable to other folks. You're not any smarter than your peers, but having that initiative lets you avoid competing with them directly. My particular path is just one of many.

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9. etblg ◴[] No.45108055{3}[source]
> When I was an undergrad researcher back during the height of the Great Financial Crisis,

Keep in mind that was 17 years ago, how do you know the job market is at all the same now?

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10. the_snooze ◴[] No.45108590{4}[source]
What's fundamentally different that initiative and strategically picking your battles are no longer applicable?

I'm on the other side of the hiring table now. I proactively look for students that exhibit these traits. I'm not the only one.

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