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kristov ◴[] No.45092413[source]
I think the conversation needs to change from "can't run software of our choice" to "can't participate in society without an apple or google account". I have been living with a de-googled android phone for a number of years, and it is getting harder and harder, while at the same time operating without certain "apps" is becoming more difficult.

For example, by bank (abn amro) still allows online banking on desktop via a physical auth device, but they are actively pushing for login only via their app. I called their support line for a lost card, and had to go through to second level support because I didn't have the app. If they get their way, eventually an apple or google account will be mandatory to have a bank account with them.

My kid goes to a school that outsourced all communication via an app. They have a web version, but it's barely usable. The app doesn't run without certain google libs installed. Again, to participate in school communication about my kid effectively requires an apple or google account.

I feel like the conversation we should be having is that we are sleepwalking into a world where to participate in society you must have an account with either apple or google. If you decide you don't want a relationship with either of those companies you will be extremely disadvantaged.

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dataflow ◴[] No.45092502[source]
Can you make an argument as to how this is different from having to have an account with, say, your ISP?
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Nextgrid ◴[] No.45092565[source]
You have many ISPs to choose from. There are not many "Googles" nor "Apples" to choose from.
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christina97 ◴[] No.45093046[source]
My apartment, smack bang in the middle of Manhattan, has a single coax cable opened by Spectrum, and is the only option for me to get reliable internet connection. I have no choice but to (1) sign whatever their ToS are, (2) pay whatever they want to charge, and (3) have them do what they want with my metadata. I’ve decided it’s not the hill I want to die on, but no, I don’t have many ISPs to choose from.
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dzikimarian ◴[] No.45093204[source]
You have at very least: * Mobile connection, a few carriers * Starlink/Eutelsat

It's not perfect, but nowhere near Google/Apple duopoly. Also this is very local US issue, solvable on city level regulation, while smartphones are everywhere.

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cactacea ◴[] No.45093515[source]
Starlink in an apartment in the middle of Manhattan? Suggesting Eutelsat is just funny frankly.
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dzikimarian ◴[] No.45094689{3}[source]
Eutelsat has pretty reasonable unlimited data package at $75/MO. Might only be available in Europe & Africa though.
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1. ThrowMeAway1618 ◴[] No.45098644{4}[source]
>Might only be available in Europe & Africa though.

Yep. We just need to move Manhattan there. Problem solved.

It's crazy how some people think there's no solution when the solution is "clear as an unmuddied lake...As clear as an azure sky of deepest summer."[0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clockwork_Orange_(film)