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F1 in Hungary: Strategy and fast tire changes make all the difference

(arstechnica.com)
44 points PaulHoule | 19 comments | 28 Aug 25 23:37 UTC | HN request time: 0.831s | source | bottom
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nkurz ◴[28 Aug 25 23:47 UTC] No.45058314[source]▶
> Leclerc was able to keep in front of Piastri at his second stop as well, and both drivers were stationary for just two seconds as their crews swarmed over the cars. But that single stop of Norris' was even faster at 1.9 seconds, and while he was driving slower than his teammate, he held track position at the front and was driving flawlessly.

Wow, I know nothing about F1 racing, but that is a fast tire change. Here's how it works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE5FGSEQc8Q. Three people on each tire, one single bolt. Full stop over the jack, unbolt, old tire off, new tire on, rebolt, drop and go.

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1. amelius ◴[01 Sep 25 22:53 UTC] No.45097328[source]▶
On the other hand ... why isn't this fully automated yet?
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2. metaltyphoon ◴[01 Sep 25 23:07 UTC] No.45097402[source]▶
Because it wouldn’t be a sport
3. dmbche ◴[01 Sep 25 23:22 UTC] No.45097491[source]▶
I'm not sure it would be as fast or have anywhere near the same redundancy for the price.

Just locating the wheel in space is non trivial!

4. squigz ◴[01 Sep 25 23:26 UTC] No.45097515[source]▶
Software engineers, ladies and gentleman :P

You could then ask this of all aspects of the sport, and all other sports as well!

Pit stops are a crucial aspect of motorsports; they can make or break a race. So competition in that area is good.

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5. scrlk ◴[01 Sep 25 23:44 UTC] No.45097629[source]▶
Yeah, I don't see the point of having drivers either.

Given that F1 cars just need to drive around a circuit in good weather conditions, teams could just install a comma 3X self driving system and replace an expensive driver for $1k.

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6. mvdtnz ◴[01 Sep 25 23:56 UTC] No.45097692[source]▶
Because spectators don't want to watch that.
7. rzzzt ◴[01 Sep 25 23:59 UTC] No.45097705[source]▶
Why not make a race entirely of pit stops?
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8. squigz ◴[02 Sep 25 00:00 UTC] No.45097715{3}[source]▶
F1 has gotten boring lately. That ought to spice it up!
9. rzzzt ◴[02 Sep 25 00:01 UTC] No.45097720[source]▶
Perhaps two well-placed grooves in the track could aid with steering with side rails providing DC power?
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10. dralley ◴[02 Sep 25 00:12 UTC] No.45097774{3}[source]▶
Or a race with no pit stops. Tire degradation is largely artificial and designed to FIA requirements. They could make tires that lasted an entire race with minimal reduction in grip if they wanted to, but that would remove a lot of strategy.
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11. rascul ◴[02 Sep 25 00:18 UTC] No.45097815[source]▶
> Given that F1 cars just need to drive around a circuit in good weather conditions

That wasn't the case until recently.

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12. mrexroad ◴[02 Sep 25 00:26 UTC] No.45097874{3}[source]▶
Life sized self-driving slot car race—could be interesting as its own thing.
13. bluesroo ◴[02 Sep 25 00:31 UTC] No.45097899{4}[source]▶
This exists; they are called sprint races. Sprint races are generally a stepping stone to the bigger leagues because it doesn't require the same type of manpower and coordination to be competitive. A lot of spec series (like the MX-5 series that runs with IMSA sometimes) tend to be this way to lower the barrier of entry.
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14. scrlk ◴[02 Sep 25 00:42 UTC] No.45097955{3}[source]▶
It's a real shame that F1 has become so conservative about wet races. I'd love to see something like the Massa/Kubica battle at Fuji in 2007 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnxUu36-uYw) happen today.
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15. 42lux ◴[02 Sep 25 00:44 UTC] No.45097965[source]▶
There is an AI powered autonomous racing series...

https://youtu.be/feTxamTHQAA?si=SVlFGU1b8ZaLZsw_

16. squigz ◴[02 Sep 25 00:50 UTC] No.45098000{5}[source]▶
The MX-5 Cup series is better than F1 anyway :D
17. rascul ◴[02 Sep 25 01:06 UTC] No.45098069{4}[source]▶
F1 racing used to be so much better.
18. clickety_clack ◴[02 Sep 25 11:09 UTC] No.45101455[source]▶
They specify tires that don’t last a full race and have to be changed because the pit stop as it is is such a core aspect of race strategy.
19. amelius ◴[02 Sep 25 15:53 UTC] No.45104742[source]▶
Simulate the entire thing. Output a number saying which car won.