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We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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2071 points K0nserv | 7 comments | 31 Aug 25 21:46 UTC | HN request time: 1.512s | source | bottom
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b_e_n_t_o_n ◴[01 Sep 25 02:38 UTC] No.45088931[source]▶
You already have that ability, afaik there is nothing stopping you or your friends from loading and running whatever software you want except your own technical ability.

If you want the government to force other people to do the work to let you have your cake and eat it too, I can't support that.

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1. umanwizard ◴[01 Sep 25 04:55 UTC] No.45089583[source]▶
iPhones have a locked bootloader; it is impossible to run an OS not signed by Apple unless you find an exploit.
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2. b_e_n_t_o_n ◴[01 Sep 25 05:03 UTC] No.45089616[source]▶
So what? Should security features be illegal so people can more easily run their own OS's on phones?
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3. umanwizard ◴[01 Sep 25 05:40 UTC] No.45089773[source]▶
Well no. I agree with your overall point in that I don’t really think vendors should be forced to allow you to install whatever software you want. I’m just pointing out that the way you described the current situation is inaccurate.
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4. b_e_n_t_o_n ◴[01 Sep 25 05:48 UTC] No.45089812{3}[source]▶
Ah ok my bad.
5. const_cast ◴[01 Sep 25 17:57 UTC] No.45095009[source]▶
Yes?

A car that can only drive itself at 10 MPH by a software lock is certainly safer.

But that's stupid and that should be illegal.

Also, the horse is driving the carriage here. Why do you think Apple is just de facto more secure?

That's just pure blind faith. You have zero evidence for that and you couldn't find evidence if your life depended on it. The entire device is closed-source.

Youre just blindly trusting Apple not to pwn you.

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6. b_e_n_t_o_n ◴[01 Sep 25 19:34 UTC] No.45095867{3}[source]▶
We trust a lot of organizations to not do illegal things to us. It's not really any different with Apple. You're trusting that the computer you're using to post your comment doesn't have a hardware back door in it. Except I'd argue that the incentives for Apple to do this are less than they would be for other companies. Not blind faith.
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7. const_cast ◴[02 Sep 25 13:14 UTC] No.45102704{4}[source]▶
No, it's blind faith. Trust is a synonym for faith. If it makes you feel better, you can say blind trust, I'm okay with that.

And you're correct there's a lot of shit I must blindly trust, too. That's bad. That's not a refutation of my point, you're actually reinforcing it.

We've forced ourselves into a situation where blind faith in moral actions is required to function in society. That is ripe for abuse. Which is probably why we see it abused every day.