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You Have to Feel It

(mitchellh.com)
359 points tosh | 39 comments | | HN request time: 1.371s | source | bottom
1. kookamamie ◴[] No.45076932[source]
> You have to feel it.

The corporate machine does not feel it.

It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever, until you are dead.

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2. mattigames ◴[] No.45077097[source]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlLQ2qJmy8c
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3. arnvald ◴[] No.45077198[source]
This is why small companies still stand a chance. They can build something that would fail the corpo test of metrics and surveys.
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4. johnfn ◴[] No.45077342[source]
Plenty of people work at large corporations and enjoy their work.
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5. bravetraveler ◴[] No.45077469[source]
Plenty of people are certifiable
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6. kkotak ◴[] No.45077703[source]
That was great share. Thank you.
7. layer8 ◴[] No.45077778[source]
The corporate machine consists of people.
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8. leoh ◴[] No.45077860[source]
... who do not feel alive in many basic ways that mean a lot
9. cpursley ◴[] No.45077910[source]
“Enjoy their paycheck”, there - fixed it for you
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10. dygd ◴[] No.45078011[source]
From my experience it consists of Excel spreadsheets. What I mean is that when a wave of layoffs hits, there's no humanity to it, you're just above or below a line.
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12. bbddg ◴[] No.45078220[source]
Kyle Reese?
13. fuzzfactor ◴[] No.45078707{3}[source]
When you do the math, it looks like most jobs have never actually had an enjoyable paycheck though, just the fortunate few.

In that case some peole are bound to find more enjoyment from something else, or why would the paycheck even be worth it?

Sometimes that can occur within the very work they do, maybe even their life's work, which can take long enough to proceed through phases of education, underemployment, business ownership, retirement and back again.

Surely there are other kinds of enjoyment continuity, which can function in parallel to a certain extent, that those concentrating on the paycheck alone may not come close to achieving.

14. rglover ◴[] No.45079054{3}[source]
And how
15. tbrownaw ◴[] No.45079398{3}[source]
Nope. Sure scale comes with lots of communication and coordination overhead that many people don't enjoy, but middle management exists to provide a place to dump all that annoying stuff.
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16. Wowfunhappy ◴[] No.45079464[source]
Whatever you think about Apple, I find it hard to believe that the team that developed the original iPhone could have done so without feeling it.

Perhaps that was just the magic of Jobs, who definitely felt things. But he didn't make the iPhone single handedly.

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17. benreesman ◴[] No.45079773[source]
It comes and goes in seasons. There is always a tension between the needs of the many and the pathological acquisitiveness of the few, but this is the worst in the West in living memory.

The last remotely compatible situation was the late USSR, and a dysfunctional Soviet corpse plundering by middling oligarchs to even more pathic notional leadership is precisely what it is.

Be of good cheer, it collapses under its own weight in this neighborhood of dysfunction. Its almost over.

There will be a mess to clean up, then it'll be summer again until we get lax again.

Always been this way, always will be. Empires grow in power, then corruption, then only corruption, and then they're done.

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18. sneak ◴[] No.45079879[source]
A lot of people suffer greatly and die to cause that mess.

A perfect example is the terrible mismanagement of the epidemic in the USA; over a million people dead, many (most?) of them unnecessarily for the active rejection of basic infection control measures. A perfect example of the corruption of which you speak: many countries got €1-2 rapid tests (I bought a 50 pack) where the US only approved the $30 two-pack. Thousands died unnecessarily so the state could funnel money to their buddies.

This is just one of a million examples. The rate of degeneration seems to be increasing further.

You’re right about it getting close, but unfortunately “almost over” in this context usually means a generation or two. Children born today might only know a lifetime of suffering only for their own adult children to finally emerge in the spring.

This is why I don’t like takes like this. It is impossible to be in good cheer when there will be millions of preventable and utterly unnecessary deaths and hundreds of millions of lives and bodies damaged and stunted irreparably due to lack of access to medicine and education and equal protection of law. Preventable diseases not being prevented, treatable conditions going intreated. Forced and unnecessary poverty costs lives. It is no different than any other genocide or intentional mass murder.

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19. benreesman ◴[] No.45079990{3}[source]
Take it up with the people who could easily prevent it by instituting reforms, not with me, that's shooting the messenger because I'm easier to get to. But I'm fighting those people tooth and nail precisely because every small victory however symbolic is one pebble in the scale and there are degrees of "mess": plenty of corrupt elites make a deal, let's pray these do.

If there's a genocide level event it won't have my endorsement, I'm still mourning a kid brother who would still be here if it weren't for a lot of the factors killing men his age in stupendous numbers. That genocide? It's been happening for a minimum of 5 years, more like ten.

I appreciate the merits and gravity of your complaint (to put it mildly) but mine is the wrong complaint box for it.

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20. paulryanrogers ◴[] No.45080093[source]
I think there is some survival bias in the analysis, and that something like the iPhone was inevitable given all the experimentation going on in the market.

Apple also made the Newton. But folks don't call back to it or praise its makers very often.

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21. senko ◴[] No.45080697[source]
That’s Austrian economics for you.
22. tempodox ◴[] No.45080783{3}[source]
> the Newton

I found the idea fascinating, but it was too clunky and heavy for the features it offered. I think the concept was too far ahead of its time, it couldn’t be implemented well in available tech.

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23. borski ◴[] No.45080836{3}[source]
Actually, I’ve found people often do praise the Newton. They lament it as being ahead of its time, but in terms of feeling it actually did have the right vibe. The tech just wasn’t there yet at the time.
24. sneak ◴[] No.45080919{4}[source]
I'm not taking it up with you and I'm not shooting the messenger. The only issue I have is takes like this:

> Be of good cheer, it collapses under its own weight in this neighborhood of dysfunction. Its almost over.

There's nothing remotely cheerful about how bad it's going to have to get first before it gets better. The fact that a genocide eventually ends is not a reason to be happy about being in the beginning of a huge one.

25. johnfn ◴[] No.45081543{3}[source]
Surely we can have a better discussion on this topic than "everyone who disagrees with me is insane".
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26. johnfn ◴[] No.45081554{3}[source]
It seems like you're trying to tell me that I don't actually enjoy my work? That seems observably untrue from my perspective? If you don't enjoy your work, that's fine, but trying to tell people who do that they actually don't doesn't make any sense to me.
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27. pendenthistory ◴[] No.45081842{4}[source]
Whenever someone claims to enjoy or love their job, I'm extremely suspicious. Usually it's some form of cope, because without it how could you stand having to work 8+ hours a day for 40 years? Easier to tell yourself you actually love it. I'm sure you enjoy aspects of your work. But I would guess if you won $100m you wouldn't keep going. If you truly enjoyed it, you would do it for free.
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28. akoboldfrying ◴[] No.45081925[source]
People forget this. People are determined to forget this, because acknowledging it is painful. But it's so important that we do.
29. zelphirkalt ◴[] No.45081986{4}[source]
And to create even more of it, as they often revel in this, as it makes them seem more important, indispensable.
30. johnfn ◴[] No.45082359{5}[source]
Dismissing anyone who isn't already aligned with your world view as "just cope" seems an unproductive strategy to having a discussion.

If I won 100M, I wouldn't work the exact same job - I'd probably move into an adjacent role that was more ambitious and took on a lot more risk, because I would be a lot less concerned if the company I was working for crashed and burned. The outlines of my role would stay the same.

I feel I've been clear-headed about my feelings about work. It took a lot of thinking to get to a place I enjoy. I haven't always enjoyed my work; I've worked at places that I hated and places that were just meh. But yeah, my current work is awesome, I happily do it nights and weekends just for fun (much to the chagrin of my girlfriend). Most people I work with, and most friends I have outside of work, feel similarly. I'm sorry you don't feel the same, but I encourage you to think before telling other people they feel a different way than they actually do.

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31. Wowfunhappy ◴[] No.45082525{3}[source]
> something like the iPhone was inevitable given all the experimentation going on in the market.

I agree, but I don't think it would have been as polished as the iPhone out of the gate.

> Apple also made the Newton. But folks don't call back to it or praise its makers very often.

As a sibling comment mentioned, I think the Newton was perhaps better than you're giving it credit for, but my point isn't that Apple makes great products, it's that it's possible at certain times for certain teams within large companies to "feel it".

Perhaps entertainment could be another example. Do you think the team that made Wall-E didn't "feel it"? What about Zelda Breath of the Wild?

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32. kibwen ◴[] No.45082847{4}[source]
> as polished as the iPhone out of the gate

I think people are forgetting how extremely unpolished the iPhone was out of the gate. No app store. Even something as fundamental as copy/paste took until years later.

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33. Geste ◴[] No.45083207{6}[source]
Truly, to each their own.

I couldn't bear to pour all my energy in something that, ultimately, is not mine. But I could feel your enthusiasm through your post, which made me a bit jealouse.

So, yeah.

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34. bravetraveler ◴[] No.45083247{4}[source]
Sorry, thought we were doing platitudes
35. pendenthistory ◴[] No.45083755{7}[source]
I guess there is a type of personality that don't need autonomy and are totally fine being a small cog in a giant machine, and only get a sliver of the benefit. I knew day one I started working that I'm not like that, and it's difficult for me to comprehend that people truly enjoy it.
36. bonoboTP ◴[] No.45084331[source]
Then they get acquired.
37. Wowfunhappy ◴[] No.45086260{5}[source]
There's a difference between polished and feature-rich. I'd actually argue the iPhone was more "polished" before they introduced the app store—their vision was pure.
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38. ghaff ◴[] No.45088023{4}[source]
For that matter, the Palm Pilot was beloved of a lot of techies at the time but neither the input nor synchronization technology/infrastructure were really there. I won one at a trade show and even upgraded it later but, honestly, it wasn't all that useful.
39. ghaff ◴[] No.45088031{6}[source]
On the other hand, it was really the third-party apps that arguably distinguished the iPhone from the manufacturer-centric phones previously.