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metaphor ◴[] No.45063162[source]
> Immediately after the wreck at 9:14 p.m. on April 25, 2019, the crucial data detailing how it unfolded was automatically uploaded to the company’s servers and stored in a vast central database, according to court documents. Tesla’s headquarters soon sent an automated message back to the car confirming that it had received the collision snapshot.

> Moments later, court records show, the data was just as automatically “unlinked” from the 2019 Tesla Model S at the scene, meaning the local copy was marked for deletion, a standard practice for Teslas in such incidents, according to court testimony.

Wow...just wow.

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ryandvm ◴[] No.45063980[source]
It is wild to me that people put so much trust in this company.

Even if Tesla hadn't squandered it's EV lead and was instead positioned to be a robotics and AI superpower, is this really the corporate behavior you would want? This is some fucking Aperture Science level corporate malfeasance.

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lotsofpulp ◴[] No.45064285[source]
I just hate the corrupt laws mandating car dealerships.
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gamblor956 ◴[] No.45068105[source]
The reason for the laws mandating dealerships was to have a local party accountable to local laws, i.e., for service, lemons, excess inventory filling up neighborhood parking spots...

Tesla is speedrunning several decades of automotive history to demonstrate why dealership laws became a thing in the first place.

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1. lotsofpulp ◴[] No.45068194[source]
It’s 2025, it is trivial to hold all businesses accountable in any jurisdiction they do business in, especially with how easy it is to freeze electronic money accounts.

You can’t even sell something to someone in a different state without having to remit various taxes, even if you didn’t step foot in that state. A car manufacturing multi billion dollar business sure as hell isn’t getting away with it.

I am also not sure how a dealership would have preventer Tesla from deleting crash data, and falsely claiming it did.

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2. mvdtnz ◴[] No.45068572[source]
> It’s 2025, it is trivial to hold all businesses accountable in any jurisdiction they do business in,

Trivial? You don't really believe that do you?

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3. lotsofpulp ◴[] No.45069054[source]
The mechanics are trivial. The legal filings, the communication, the seizure of assets (compared to 100 years ago).

The political will might not be, but that has nothing to do with dealerships.

4. gamblor956 ◴[] No.45070571[source]
You can’t even sell something to someone in a different state without having to remit various taxes, even if you didn’t step foot in that state.

This is not true. Sales taxes have a threshold requirement before out-of-state retailers are required to collect and remit sales taxes for customers in a state. It's usually 200 transactions or $100,000. If you're doing that much business with a state, you can and should be able to handle sales tax. And if you don't want to deal with it yourself, you can use a third party service like Avalara or TaxJar to handle the sales tax compliance for you (rate calculation, remittance, and returns).

especially with how easy it is to freeze electronic money accounts.

That is actually very difficult to do in the U.S. Generally, freezing accounts is limited to certain criminal matters or regulatory violations. It doesn't happen in civil litigation. At most the judge can order withholding or garnishment if the penalized party evades payment of the judgment.

I am also not sure how a dealership would have preventer Tesla from deleting crash data, and falsely claiming it did.

In most states, you can just go to a local dealer (or service center) to recover data from a vehicle if you can't do it using a third party. It's generally quite rare to go to the automaker to pull data from a vehicle. That's a Tesla specific thing, except in rare situations where a vehicle may be so damaged that special expertise is required.