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Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Lammy ◴[] No.45060316[source]
Interesting to think about how Apple get to make product decisions based on Gatekeeper OCSP analytics now that every app launch phones home. They must know exactly how popular VSCode is.

Facebook got excoriated for doing that with Onavo but I guess it's Good Actually when it's done in the name of protecting my computer from myself lol

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wahnfrieden ◴[] No.45060370[source]
This won't make a dent. It still doesn't support any agentic operation.

The real news is when Codex CLI / Claude Code get integrated, or Apple introduces a competitor offering to them.

Until then this is a toy and should not be used for any serious work while these far better tools exist.

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alwillis ◴[] No.45060481[source]
I just installed it—definitely not a toy.

Compared to stock Claude Code, this version of Claude knows a lot more about SwiftUI and related technologies. The following is output from Claude in Xcode on an empty project. Claude Code gives a generic response when it looked at the same project:

    What I Can Help You With

    • SwiftUI Development: Layout, state management, animations, etc.
    • iOS/macOS App Architecture: MVVM, data flow, navigation
    • Apple Frameworks: Core Data, CloudKit, MapKit, etc.
    • Testing: Both traditional XCTest and the new Swift Testing framework
    • Performance & Best Practices: Swift concurrency, memory management

    Example of What We Could Do Right Now

    Looking at your current ContentView.swift􀰓, I could help you:
    • Transform this basic "Hello World" into a recovery tracking interface
    • Add navigation, data models, or user interface components
    • Implement proper architecture patterns for your Recovery Tracker app
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ghurtado ◴[] No.45060806[source]
I'm as crazy about AI as the next dev, but that has to be the weakest example of AI capability that I have ever seen.
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1. wahnfrieden ◴[] No.45064946[source]
People are just excited to see Apple finally integrate something useful. But it’s not 1/100th as useful as agentic tools (CC, Codex) which have access to the exact same markdown files as the Apple one. There’s nothing else special about Apple’s offering, and it has no agentic capability. It is a waste of time to use it.