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650 points clcaev | 1 comments | 29 Aug 25 11:15 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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voidUpdate ◴[29 Aug 25 12:11 UTC] No.45063021[source]▶
I'm still convinced that it being called "full self driving" is misleading marketing and really needs to stop, since it isn't according to Tesla
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orlp ◴[29 Aug 25 12:36 UTC] No.45063277[source]▶
The marketing doesn't even matter. It either needs to be full self driving, or nothing at all. The "semi self-driving but you're still responsible when shit hits the fan" just doesn't work.

Humans are simply incapable of paying attention to a task for long periods if it doesn't involve some kind of interactive feedback. You can't ask someone to watch paint dry while simultaneously expect them to have < 0.5sec reaction time to a sudden impulse three hours into the drying process.

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AuthorizedCust ◴[29 Aug 25 12:55 UTC] No.45063485[source]▶
I have a SAE level 2 car. Those features DO help!
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Jeremy1026 ◴[29 Aug 25 13:01 UTC] No.45063555[source]▶
Same. Not having to worry about keeping the car between the lines allows me to keep my focus on the other cars around me more. Offloading the cognitive load of fine tuning allows more dedication to the bigger picture.
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AlexandrB ◴[29 Aug 25 13:30 UTC] No.45063881[source]▶
This makes no sense to me. Driving involves all senses, not just vision - if you're not feeling what the car is doing because you're not engaged with the steering wheel what good is it to see what's around you? I also don't understand how one has trouble staying between the lines with minimal cognitive input after more than a few months of driving.

Oh! And also, moving within the lane is sometimes important for getting a better look at what's up ahead or behind you or expressing car "body language" that allows others to know you're probably going to change lanes soon.

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1. ghaff ◴[29 Aug 25 13:42 UTC] No.45064027{3}[source]▶
I don't have personal experience but friends with personal experience have sort of shifted my thinking on the topic. They'll note they do need to stay engaged but that it is genuinely useful on long drives in particular. The control handover is definitely an issue but so is manual driving in general. Their consensus is that the current state of the art is by no means perfect but it is improved and it's not like there aren't problems with existing manual driving even with some assistive systems.