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Tesla said it didn't have key data in a fatal crash, then a hacker found it

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650 points clcaev | 1 comments | 29 Aug 25 11:15 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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voidUpdate ◴[29 Aug 25 12:11 UTC] No.45063021[source]▶
I'm still convinced that it being called "full self driving" is misleading marketing and really needs to stop, since it isn't according to Tesla
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orlp ◴[29 Aug 25 12:36 UTC] No.45063277[source]▶
The marketing doesn't even matter. It either needs to be full self driving, or nothing at all. The "semi self-driving but you're still responsible when shit hits the fan" just doesn't work.

Humans are simply incapable of paying attention to a task for long periods if it doesn't involve some kind of interactive feedback. You can't ask someone to watch paint dry while simultaneously expect them to have < 0.5sec reaction time to a sudden impulse three hours into the drying process.

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AuthorizedCust ◴[29 Aug 25 12:55 UTC] No.45063485[source]▶
I have a SAE level 2 car. Those features DO help!
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1. tialaramex ◴[29 Aug 25 13:06 UTC] No.45063600[source]▶
Framing is crucial. Example, why was the Autonomous Emergency Braking configured to brake violently to a full stop? Lets consider two scenarios, in both cases we're not paying enough attention to the outside world and are about to strike a child on a bicycle but the AEB policy varies.

1. AEB brakes violently to a full stop. We experience shock and dismay. What happened? Oh, a kid on a bike I didn't see. I nearly fucked up bad, good job AEB

2. AEB smoothly slows the vehicle to prevent striking the bicycle, we gradually become aware of the bike and believe we had always known it was there and our decision eliminated risk, why even bother with stupid computer systems?

Humans are really bad at accepting that they fucked up, if you give them an opportunity to re-frame their experience as "I'm great, nothing could have gone wrong" that's what they prefer, so, to deliver the effective safety improvements you need to be firm about what happened and why it worked out OK.