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brk ◴[] No.45063156[source]
I've removed all Meta apps other than Whatsapp (and I don't love that). I haven't had the Facebook app on my phone in well over a decade. Had Instagram for a while, I was casually active on it, but Meta just keeps convincing me not to be trusted.

Facebook mobile is a suboptimal experience, which is fine, it just reminds me to use it less.

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1. skylurk ◴[] No.45063242[source]
On iOS, whatsapp is weirdly pushy about getting unlimited access to your photo album.

They also go out of their way to make it hard to save a photo without granting full access. Creepy.

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2. vladvasiliu ◴[] No.45063267[source]
IME giving it "limited access" works well; you can save anything without issue.

What pisses me off, though, is that I didn't find a way to give a contact a name without allowing it access to the phone's contacts.

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3. skylurk ◴[] No.45063427[source]
Tested it, and yes, when I increase the access from "Add Photos Only" to "Limited Access" I can add photos again.

But now Whatsapp retains access to all the photos I added unless I go into settings and revoke access to those photos. Creepy.

And yeah the contacts thing also pisses me off. They know what they are doing.

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4. gruez ◴[] No.45063850{3}[source]
>But now Whatsapp retains access to all the photos I added unless I go into settings and revoke access to those photos. Creepy.

Not really, given whatsapp could be theoretically keeping a local copy and the operating system can't really do anything about it. It would also be a pretty weird case to code. Imagine writing an app where if you tried to save a file, you couldn't immediately access it afterwards.

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5. skylurk ◴[] No.45064187{4}[source]
> Imagine writing an app where if you tried to save a file, you couldn't immediately access it afterwards.

It works fine in other apps such as Signal and even Teams.

I don't really want Moxie or MSFT to have persistent access to any part of my personal photo album either, no matter how good they say they'll be.

6. ozgrakkurt ◴[] No.45064431[source]
My solution to this is to go

Photos -> share photo -> whatsapp

Instead of starting from whatsapp

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7. orthogonal-wren ◴[] No.45064473[source]
What I do is open the photos app and then either copy & paste into the whatsapp message field or use the sharing dialog to share a photo / video on whatsapp. I guess that would also work for the files app. It’s extra steps but it’s worth it for me.
8. vladvasiliu ◴[] No.45065133{3}[source]
> But now Whatsapp retains access to all the photos I added unless I go into settings and revoke access to those photos. Creepy.

I think this is good enough. If you consider they do shady stuff with your pictures, you might as well consider that they hold on to anything they get their hands on right away.

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9. agile-gift0262 ◴[] No.45065610[source]
On Android WhatsApp also requires access to all media files on the phone in order to use certain features that don't really need them, but that sound plausible.

For example, when you receive an audio message, if you want to listen to it, it will request full media access. Android apps can access media files they have created, so this permission isn't needed. But without granting media access (or tricking it into thinking it has it, like with GrapheneOS' storage scopes), WhatsApp won't let you listen to the audio. Same when trying to open an image full screen instead of just the in-chat preview.

If this were a small developer, I could assume it was done that way accidentally or to cut some corners. Coming from Meta, I can only assume malice.

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10. morsch ◴[] No.45065957[source]
I just tried removing the access photos permission entirely from Whatsapp on my Android phone. Then, sharing a photo from within the Photos app pops up the permission dialog in Whatsapp. You need to give it at least the "Limited" permission, otherwise it won't process the shared photo.

Having given it that permission, I can share photos from within Whatsapp as well, without going to the Photos app. I'm not sure if the file picker that pops up is a Whatsapp component (meaning the "Limited" permission is essentially unlimited) or if it's a system component. I mean the latter would make sense, but I'm too cynical to believe it works that well.

11. mckn1ght ◴[] No.45066759{4}[source]
I think you meant to say you don’t think this is good enough? And I’d second that.
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12. GauntletWizard ◴[] No.45068540[source]
A similar anti-pattern - WhatsApp has it's own contact list and list of users. However, you can't use it without granting the Contacts permissions. On my phone, though I have WhatsApp installed, I can't create a new chat - It just brings up the "Enable Contacts" dialogue. I can however use their web-client to initiate a chat, and when people can message me I can respond.
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13. vladvasiliu ◴[] No.45073534{5}[source]
No, I do think it's good enough.

My idea is that if WhatsApp can't be trusted, once it gets access to any file, it will hold on to it. So revoking access to something it already has won't accomplish all that much, since I've already figured that I can share that file with them.

14. agile-gift0262 ◴[] No.45076358{3}[source]
you can also start a conversation going to the URL wa.me/<phone number> in a browser