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    Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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    485 points zora_goron | 14 comments | 29 Aug 25 00:44 UTC | HN request time: 0.335s | source | bottom
    1. kristopolous ◴[29 Aug 25 02:23 UTC] No.45059362[source]▶
    Neovim, emacs?
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    2. guluarte ◴[29 Aug 25 02:42 UTC] No.45059498[source]▶
    neovim will support llms natively (though a language server) https://github.com/neovim/neovim/pull/33972
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    3. brigandish ◴[29 Aug 25 02:56 UTC] No.45059618[source]▶
    You have to enable it and install a language server, that's not the same as an LLM being baked in.
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    4. mr_toad ◴[29 Aug 25 03:11 UTC] No.45059720[source]▶
    Amusing that Emacs that came out of the MIT AI lab, and heavily uses Lisp, a language that used to be en vogue for AI research.
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    5. PessimalDecimal ◴[29 Aug 25 03:16 UTC] No.45059752[source]▶
    Amusing is one word for it. Expert systems were all the rage until they weren't. We'll see how LLMs do by comparison.
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    6. simonh ◴[29 Aug 25 03:51 UTC] No.45059956{3}[source]▶
    It’s not baked in, in that sense. You still have to enable it in XCode and link it to a Claude account. It’s basically the same.
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    7. brigandish ◴[29 Aug 25 04:29 UTC] No.45060199{4}[source]▶
    At the level of "Having to configure something to use it", they're the same, but then that's the same as the hundreds of other config options then. I think we can be slightly more precise than that.

    In Neovim the choice of language server and the choice of LLM is up to the user, (possibly even the choice of this API, I believe, having only skimmed the PR) while both of those choices are baked in to XCode, so they're not the same thing.

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    8. what ◴[29 Aug 25 05:13 UTC] No.45060462[source]▶
    That’s not really native support for LLMs? It’s supporting some LSP feature for completions.
    9. justatdotin ◴[29 Aug 25 05:52 UTC] No.45060674[source]▶
    LSP != LLM
    10. simonh ◴[29 Aug 25 07:43 UTC] No.45061310{5}[source]▶
    That's fair enough, but it's the opposite complaint, that XCode's LLM support is more limited because it is proprietary. That's a perfectly valid and reasonable objection, of course.
    11. vrighter ◴[29 Aug 25 08:12 UTC] No.45061489{3}[source]▶
    The so-called "guardrails" used for LLM are very close to expert systems, imo.

    Since the landscape of potentially malicious inputs in plain english is practically infinite, without any particular enforced structure for the queries you make of it, means that those "guardrails" are, in effect, an expert system. An ever growing pile of if-then statements. Didn't work then, won't work now.

    12. vrighter ◴[29 Aug 25 08:14 UTC] No.45061495[source]▶
    Neovim already supports LSP servers. The fact that a language server exists for anything, doesn't make neovim (or any other editor) "support" the technology. It doesn't, what it does support is LSP, and it doesn't and couldn't care less what language/slop the LSP is working with.
    13. monkeyelite ◴[29 Aug 25 13:39 UTC] No.45063987[source]▶
    You are word associating. The ideas in each part of that chain are unrelated.
    14. kristopolous ◴[29 Aug 25 20:42 UTC] No.45069168{3}[source]▶
    People are trying to achieve the same thing - rules based systems with decision trees. That's still one of the most lucrative use cases.