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    andybak ◴[] No.45045278[source]
    Between this and the UK Online Safety Bill, how are people meant to keep track?

    Launch a small website and commit a felony in 7 states and 13 countries.

    I wouldn't have known about the Mississippi bill unless I'd read this. How are we have to know?

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    zaptheimpaler ◴[] No.45045350[source]
    Any physical business has to deal with 100s of regulations too, it just means the same culture of making it extremely difficult and expensive to do anything at all is now coming to the online world as well, bit by bit.
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    1. trymas ◴[] No.45049135[source]
    If you have a restaurant in Italy and some 18 year old from Mississippi orders a glass of wine - you can happily and lawfully serve it.

    You don’t need to know all the laws of Mississippi to serve such customer, or any laws from anywhere else other than Italy.

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    2. sugarpimpdorsey ◴[] No.45049249[source]
    Tbf the Italian restaurant would likely serve you wine if you were 14, and the owner is probably underreporting cash earnings to avoid taxes, and sells bootleg cigarettes without the tax seals from behind the counter...
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    3. dudefeliciano ◴[] No.45049272[source]
    how would US jurisdiction be able to affect an Italian website that does not require ID for Missisipi residents?
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    4. Certhas ◴[] No.45049397[source]
    If you ship the wine to the US things are different though.

    And if you don't do business in the US there is only so much the US can do. Most importantly it can ask ISPs in the US to block your site. As they do for copyright infringement routinely.

    We have all accepted that our countries block copyright violations originating from outside their jurisdiction.

    But of course this is a disaster for the free internet. While copyright laws are relatively uniform world wide, so if you respect it locally you're probably mostly fine everywhere, incoming regulation like age verification and limits on social media use, or harassment stuff, is anything but uniform.

    To some degree this is also maybe more shocking to people in the US, as the US norms have de facto been the internets norms so far. It is, in any case, not entirely new:

    "When Germany came after BME for "endangering the youth" and demanded that I make changes to the site to comply with German law, my response was to simply not visit Germany again (and I'm a German citizen). When the US started to pressure us, we moved all of our servers and presence out of the country and backed off on plans to live in the US. No changes were ever made to the site, and no images were ever removed — if anything, the pressure made me push those areas even more."

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMEzine

    How do we deal with the fact that we don't have a global mechanism for agreeing (socially and legally) on necessary regulations, whilemaintaining the social good that is a truly global internet?

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    5. silverliver ◴[] No.45049430[source]
    It wouldn't unless the US is willing to justify having their domestic companies fall under the jurisdiction of other countries. Geopolitical reciprocity is still alive an well as the US is starting to find out.
    6. wickedsight ◴[] No.45049472[source]
    Yes, because that customer is also in Italy, so Italian law also applies to them.

    With the internet it's a lot less clear cut. The user is requesting data from Italy, maybe, but is located in another jurisdiction. Add Cloudflare and the data might even be served from the US by a US company you asked to serve your illegal data.

    It's becoming a shit show and is breaking up the global internet.

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    7. closewith ◴[] No.45050009[source]
    > And if you don't do business in the US there is only so much the US can do.

    They can order overflights to land to arrest you, if they so desire. They can also block you from the more-or-less all legitimate commerce globally with sanctions. And if they really don't like you, they can kill you without due process.

    All of which the US has done to undesirables over the years, and can do again without any controls or checks or balances, to anyone globally.

    8. swiftcoder ◴[] No.45050158[source]
    Indeed - the same here in Spain. One gets used to certain classes of regulation being flaunted much more openly in Europe than they would be in the US.
    9. kobalsky ◴[] No.45055954[source]
    If you offered them a place to do leverage trading, you would be getting extradited to the US. Failure to do your KyC is no excuse.

    Be careful what you put in that menu.

    10. fc417fc802 ◴[] No.45056289[source]
    User or customer? That's quite a difference. When I pay to have goods shipped there's an expectation of regulation that doesn't exist when I chat with someone on the phone. (Admittedly all the free product dumping by tech companies blurs the line.)

    The current legal reality is a shitshow but I don't think that's inherent to the situation itself. gTLDs and foreign hosting services certainly complicate things, but then so does choosing to (physically) import supplies from abroad. I'm not convinced there's a real issue there at least in theory.

    I think that a single "common carrier" type treaty unambiguously placing all burden on the speaker and absolving any liability arising from jurisdictional differences would likely fix 90% of the current issues. If I visit a foreign run site and lie about my country of residence in order to access material that isn't legal where I reside the only liable party in that scenario should be me.

    11. hodgesrm ◴[] No.45058289[source]
    > You don’t need to know all the laws of Mississippi to serve such customer, or any laws from anywhere else other than Italy.

    Except that in this case it's more like applying state sales taxes to online purchases. That has been a thing for years at this point.