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    dfox ◴[] No.45040695[source]
    The article is somewhat sensationalistic. If you read the actual report you will find out that:

    The pilot was not part of the conference call!

    What froze was not hydraulic fluid for actuators (in some hydraulic line), but hydraulic fluid in the shock absorbers.

    The last paragraph of the article and seems to be missing a few words and reads as the investigators blaming the people directly involved, which is essentially a complete opposite of what conclusions of the report say.

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    1. andy_xor_andrew ◴[] No.45041299[source]
    I read the article (twice) and I still have the impression the pilot was in fact the one in the conference call

    Opening line:

    > A US Air Force F-35 pilot spent 50 minutes on an airborne conference call with Lockheed Martin engineers trying to solve a problem with his fighter jet before he ejected

    Am I illiterate or misreading it?

    > After going through system checklists in an attempt to remedy the problem, the pilot got on a conference call with engineers from the plane’s manufacturer, Lockheed Martin, *as the plane flew near the air base. *

    Is this actually some insane weasel-wording by CNN? "We never said the pilot (he is in fact a pilot) was the one flying the jet, we just said 'as the plane flew', not 'as he flew the plane', using passive voice, so we're not wrong - but it was another pilot flying the plane"

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    2. the__alchemist ◴[] No.45041365[source]
    Don't read the article; read the report.
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    3. SalmoShalazar ◴[] No.45041410[source]
    I’m guessing you also didn’t read the report given that he was indeed on the conference call.
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    4. andy_xor_andrew ◴[] No.45041421[source]
    Sure, of course I will trust the report as the source of truth.

    But I'm interested in the reporting. There are, you know, journalistic standards, which are considered kinda "journalism 101"! For instance, getting the basic facts of a story correct - especially the facts stated in the headline.

    So I'm curious, did the reporter do their due diligence, and write the article in a way that is factually correct, but highly misleading? Or did they simply not follow basic reporting protocol?

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    5. dwpdwpdwpdwpdwp ◴[] No.45041446[source]
    From the report:

    > The MP initiated a conference call with Lockheed Martin engineers through the on-duty supervisor of flying (SOF)

    "MP" is the pilot

    > A conference hotel is a call that can be initiated by the SOF to speak directly with Lockheed Martin engineers to discuss an abnormality/malfunction not addressed in the PCL (Tab V-13.1, 14.1, 15.1, 16.1, 17.1). While waiting for the conference hotel to convene, the MP initiated a series of “sturns” with gravitational forces up to 2.5Gs, as well as a slip maneuver (i.e., left stick input with full right rudder pedal) to see if the nose wheel orientation would change (Tabs N-12, BB-201- 02). Upon visual inspection, the MW reported no change to the nose wheel (Tab N-13). The SOF informed the MP he was on the phone with the conference hotel and Lockheed Martin were getting the LG subject matter experts (SME)

    So the pilot was, in effect, on the call, even if not directly on the phone. I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing an F-35 pilot had radio comms with the SOF who was on a phone line. It's a layer of indirection, but the pilot was essentially exchanging info in real time with the conference call. Its not a stretch to colloquially say that the pilot was "in the conference call"

    6. the__alchemist ◴[] No.45041509{3}[source]
    The article is standard news stuff. It is sloppy and misleading. The report is what you want.
    7. nathan_douglas ◴[] No.45041702[source]
    > The MP initiated a conference call with Lockheed Martin engineers through the on-duty supervisor of flying (SOF). The MA held for approximately 50 minutes while the team developed a plan of action.

    I read this as "The pilot initiated a conference call, but was put on hold [i.e. not actually in the conference call in any meaningful way]." So he was both on and not on the conference call.

    The Zen Koan of the Mishap Pilot. Sounds like an Iron Maiden song.

    8. eduction ◴[] No.45041900{3}[source]
    One clear indication he was not, from PDF p14 (8 as numbered) ("MP"="mishap pilot"):

    "At 21:12:52Z, the SOF informed the MP, “Alright the engineers uh are not optimistic about this COA but, extremely low PK [probability kill, meaning the probability this would fix the issue], but we’re going to try anyway is a touch-and-go on the runway, mains only, do not touch the nose gear, uh lift back off in all cases and have the uh have Yeti 4 reconfirm the nose gear position once your safely airborne.”"

    No need for this if the pilot was on the call directly.

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    9. hluska ◴[] No.45041948{3}[source]
    I’m curious why you’re getting this worked up when the report is clear that the pilot was part of the information flow in that conference call. This is a really minor case of a headline using less precise language.
    10. mulmen ◴[] No.45042094{3}[source]
    > There are, you know, journalistic standards

    Are there? What are they?

    11. throwawayoldie ◴[] No.45042400{3}[source]
    > There are, you know, journalistic standards, which are considered kinda "journalism 101"!

    Pretty sure you meant to use the past tense here: "There _were_ journalistic standards..."

    12. jasonlotito ◴[] No.45042616{3}[source]
    From the Report:

    > The MP initiated a conference call with Lockheed Martin engineers through the on-duty supervisor of flying (SOF). The MA held for approximately 50 minutes while the team developed a plan of action.

    Seems accurate to what CNN was reporting. It's simplified a bit, but it's not misleading to me.

    I mean, I guess if you want to nit pick and suggest "No the pilot wasn't literally on a phone and there was an intermediary in between" or some such, but the report makes it seem like CNN is accurate.

    https://www.pacaf.af.mil/Portals/6/documents/3_AIB%20Report....

    13. jasonlotito ◴[] No.45042640{4}[source]
    From the Report:

    > The MP initiated a conference call with Lockheed Martin engineers through the on-duty supervisor of flying (SOF). The MA held for approximately 50 minutes while the team developed a plan of action.

    "though the SOF" implies a middle-man, but I imagine that's because you don't want literally hook up a conference call directly to the cockpit. That being said, seems like the pilot was effectively on the conference call.

    Unless you want to suggest I don't trust the report?

    https://www.pacaf.af.mil/Portals/6/documents/3_AIB%20Report....

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    14. hnburnsy ◴[] No.45043499{3}[source]
    >But I'm interested in the reporting. There are, you know, journalistic standards, which are considered kinda "journalism 101"! For instance, getting the basic facts of a story correct - especially the facts stated in the headline.

    Every single story is like this, every one, and f-them for not linking to the source documents.

    15. eduction ◴[] No.45043973{5}[source]
    What I said is he was not on the call /directly/.

    You can argue over whether he was “effectively” on the call because someone was summarizing it for him per what I quoted.

    I just think it’s worth nothing he was not “on” the call the way someone is traditionally on a conference call.