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1. 127 ◴[] No.45038436[source]
Just recently moved onto Linux. Most likely not coming back when these kind of things just keep happening. I'm really surprised how well everything works. 120Hz HDR 4k Nvidia no issues on Wayland. Kubuntu 25.04/Plasma 6.3 is very nice. EasyEffects/PipeWire makes audio better compared to Windows. Steam/Proton/Wine works very well for games outside ones that have kernel level rootkits. Outside DualSense controller having issues connecting to bluetooth I can't think of anything that's worse than Windows while many things are better.
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2. bdhcuidbebe ◴[] No.45038518[source]
> Outside DualSense controller having issues connecting to bluetooth

This is a gotcha. The issue is probably that your user dont have the permissions to interact with udev devices.

See https://codeberg.org/fabiscafe/game-devices-udev

3. gregoryl ◴[] No.45038531[source]
Ditto; ~20 years of dotnet dev, 1000+ games on steam. Couldn't be more baked into the ecosystem. Its just the work laptop left with windows now, and the team is working to support a non-windows dev env.
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4. fzeroracer ◴[] No.45038662[source]
I moved over to Linux about a year or so ago when Microsoft announced they were going to start pushing their AI shit on every Windows system. I created a small partition intending to just give it a shot but ended up never moving back since 99.9% of everything I tried just works. It's really quite amazing how far Linux has come in the past decade alone and right now the only reason I keep Windows on my work machine is because there's still specific dev pipelines I can only do on Windows.
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5. reddalo ◴[] No.45038663[source]
I work on a mac, but I have Linux at home.

I've started using LibreOffice at home and I'm surprised at how snappier it is compared to Word. Exported PDFs are even lighter that the ones Word do.

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6. crinkly ◴[] No.45038739[source]
Only thing that keeps me off Linux is Lightroom and Photoshop. Nothing even remotely comparable. So it's Mac for me, but I get you.
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7. craftkiller ◴[] No.45038836[source]
> Outside DualSense controller having issues connecting to bluetooth

FWIW I use a DualSense controller connected to my Linux computers all the time without issue and without having to do anything special. In fact, Sony is the author of the DualSense driver on Linux[0]. Do you connect anything else over bluetooth? I'm wondering if your bluetooth setup might just be broken in general rather than specifically for DualSense controllers.

[0] https://www.phoronix.com/news/Sony-HID-PlayStation-PS5

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8. jmclnx ◴[] No.45039244[source]
And one has to wonder, will M/S used these cloud documents for their AI push ? Even if the Word Docs are encrypted, I fully believe Microsoft can read the text in those documents.

People should realize everything you do in Excel and Word is being spied on by Microsoft, this cloud push is making that process easier and faster for M/S.

At the very least, go to Libreoffice. But better yet, as you just did, people need to abandon Microsoft and Apple for Linux or a BSD.

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9. hkon ◴[] No.45039336[source]
Same
10. naruhodo ◴[] No.45039377[source]
And honestly, not supporting kernel level rootkits is a feature, not a bug.
11. ActionHank ◴[] No.45039518[source]
This was me a few years back.

My wife switched this year after only ever using Windows and pure dotnet dev.

The first thing she said was "how is it so fast"

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12. underlipton ◴[] No.45039562[source]
Backup important docs to rtf/txt. I've had Libre/OpenOffice docs blank/all text replaced with hashtags on me suddenly. AFAICT, it's an autosave bug that's never going to be fixed (though I'm not technical enough to know for sure). Personally, I would never use those programs for anything important.
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13. anal_reactor ◴[] No.45039614[source]
First I switched to Linux Mint. Turns out anno 2025 most distros are still made with legacy ThinkPads in mind. Then I installed Fedora KDE. It gives an impression of working. Make no mistake - I have weird display glitches, shit crashes all the time, stuff randomly refuses to work, some devices I have require ridiculous workarounds, basic tasks require cryptic terminal commands, software updates introduce awkward regressions, but I think we've truly reached the milestone where a dedicated person can run Linux as their main desktop system. I suppose in about 30 years we'll have a Linux distribution that can be used on desktop without any IT knowledge.

Of course technically speaking I shouldn't complain because I have provided nothing of value to the Linux ecosystem (how the fuck do I even start, even if I wanted to?), but still, the point stands.

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14. dizlexic ◴[] No.45039910[source]
Windows has been slipping for decades now. Welcome to the penguin!
15. input_sh ◴[] No.45039956[source]
> It's really quite amazing how far Linux has come in the past decade alone

There's no meaningful difference in the desktop Linux ecosystem right now and a decade ago, you're just more open to it as the alternative got worse.

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16. doublerabbit ◴[] No.45039992[source]
Use moonlight and stream it locally.

I use FreeBSD for my daily driver. I now stream games/Windows apps from a dedicated windows VM. It's impressive technology.

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17. fzeroracer ◴[] No.45040203{3}[source]
No, this is definitely not true. I dabbled with Linux back when I was in college (hence, a decade ago) both because the computer labs had Linux installed and because it was interesting to me at the time.

There were a bunch of issues with compatibility if you wanted to do any sort of gaming and driver support was pretty bad from what I remember. Flatpaks were barely starting to become a thing, desktop environments were very unrefined and applications like LibreOffice still had a way to go.

If you look at what's happened in the Linux ecosystem in the past decade there are in fact significant improvements and refinements thanks to the hard work of thousands of contributors making it easier and easier to use.

18. threetonesun ◴[] No.45040252{3}[source]
We're cutting it close with a decade here but out of the box driver support is absolutely better, especially if you're dealing with AMD GPUs, to the point where I find a fresh install of almost any Linux distro less annoying in terms of support than Windows.
19. Ghoelian ◴[] No.45040264{3}[source]
Do you have any kind of source for that? A bug report or a PR or something?

Also how would backing up specifically to rtf or txt help? Just back up the original doc files.

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20. aquova ◴[] No.45040312[source]
> Outside DualSense controller having issues connecting to bluetooth

I've had this issue as well on KDE Plasma. I'm convinced it's some sort of bug within Plasma itself. If I use bluetoothctl to pair the controller, it works fine, might be worth giving that a try if you haven't.

21. RankingMember ◴[] No.45040369[source]
Just out of curiosity, what distro did you go with? I last gave Linux desktop a try about a decade ago (Ubuntu IIRC) and found it still not quite there, but I'm willing to give it another shot so I'd be curious what you had success with.
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22. halz ◴[] No.45040373[source]
On a whim, there is a nuanced situation with some Realtek (RTL8671B) bluetooth firmware on Linux that is 'solved' by downgrading firmware version. This random gist has a nice thread https://gist.github.com/peteristhegreat/b48da772167f86f43dec... ..and this fellow Nix wizard has the downgrade expressed in a nix config: https://github.com/Arroquw/nixos-config/commit/9d90d7d659e74...

I too was experiencing odd/erratic pairing issues with DualSense controllers and this RTL8671B based dongle, and using the older firmware entirely fixed it. Now four controllers can be connected simultaneously without issue.

23. tombert ◴[] No.45040391[source]
I eventually did get it working, but man you are luckier than I getting Nvidia to have "no issues". I had to waste an entire weekend getting an Nvidia card working [1].

I love Linux and specifically NixOS but my experience with good audio and non-AMD drivers has been pretty so-so.

[1] https://blog.tombert.com/posts/2025-03-09-egpu/ Not trying to self-plug, just documented my headache.

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24. anonzzzies ◴[] No.45040401[source]
Ha! I recently thought I would try it again as the cloud & office are getting really too annoying. Libreoffice is snappier than google docs/sheets in the browser, which I say like this is special, but these days with Electron it really is. And it's on my own system. I'm staying here... It's fast & works well for work and private use.
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25. pessimizer ◴[] No.45040466[source]
> we've truly reached the milestone where a dedicated person can run Linux as their main desktop system.

You're 20 years too late for this.

The reason why Linux doesn't run well on the latest greatest hardware (and never has) is because the vendors of that hardware range from indifferent to actively hostile to Linux, and to make the system work people have to fight. Buy a legacy thinkpad, or something you've researched, and you'll have fewer problems than with Windows or Macs (which are tied to even more specific hardware and obsoleted by company whim.)

Of course, if you're on the bleeding edge of technology, everyone is using Linux (whether directly or in VMs and containers), so when I say the latest greatest, I mean the latest greatest consumer and business user stuff.

I've never understood comments like this. It's like you're looking at a pool full of people who have been swimming for years and telling you the pool is nice, and saying: "I guess it's finally ready for the real experts now."

Also, if you love vendors so much, you can have one. Buy your Linux computer from somebody who sells Linux computers, knows any problems you'll run into on that specially-selected hardware, and call them when you have a problem, just like you would do for the others.

> Of course technically speaking I shouldn't complain because I have provided nothing of value to the Linux ecosystem

This is the worst point by far. You can complain about anything that is broken, you just can't expect anyone to care (because you haven't obligated anyone to.) The problem isn't complaining, it's complaining badly. Get a vendor, whine to them.

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26. phkahler ◴[] No.45040498[source]
>> Only thing that keeps me off Linux is Lightroom and Photoshop.

Try Darktable or Ansel instead of Lightroom. I'm not gonna tell you Gimp is a good photoshop replacement though ;-)

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28. kevin_thibedeau ◴[] No.45040605[source]
That situation is entirely of Nvidia's making.
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29. tannhaeuser ◴[] No.45040614{3}[source]
Unfortunately, that's simply not true. Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (in 2016 as the name implies) with gnome 2 and Unity was peak and Ubuntu has regressed since beyond recovery: snap or other desktop containers with unsolved/unsolvable permission problems, systemd, wayland, and any number of other zero sum changes behind the scene devs like to drool over yet not. a. single. user advance or new desktop app. Even the relative "progress" in browser-based collab tools we enjoyed since about 2017 is at risk as FF is left behind by the likes of MS Teams.
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30. baq ◴[] No.45040633{3}[source]
With all due respect Darktable is not a Lightroom replacement, having used Lightroom years ago the recent Darktable releases are maybe sometimes reaching Lightroom UX from back then. I'm sure the technical image processing stuff is best in class, but it's too much for me wanting to make my raw photos look better than what the camera does with jpegs by default. The addition of built in presets is extremely welcome, it should be exposed to newbies way more than it is currently.
31. tombert ◴[] No.45040718{3}[source]
No argument on that but regardless of whose fault it is, the end user has to deal with the consequences.
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32. 4b11b4 ◴[] No.45040807{3}[source]
If you try again, at least go Mint over Ubuntu
33. whalesalad ◴[] No.45040870[source]
Check out onlyoffice as well. I use onlyoffice + libreoffice depending on the workload. I find libreoffice to have a better spreadsheet tool but prefer editing/commenting on documents in onlyoffice and it has a more modern aesthetic.
34. 4b11b4 ◴[] No.45040944{3}[source]
That's a great use case for game streaming tech
35. crinkly ◴[] No.45040966{3}[source]
I've tried those (and RawTherapee). They are nowhere even near half the way to Lightroom.
36. beng-nl ◴[] No.45041044{3}[source]
Which distribution is she using, out of curiosity? I wonder if I could do this for (to) my wife..
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37. underlipton ◴[] No.45041199{4}[source]
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=8...

Googling would show that any number of users run into issues with OO/LO file corruption, often from power interruption during saves. The applications seem to handle that in a suboptimal way, and maintainers are unwilling to address it. My suspicion is that their unspoken contention is that the problem is with Windows, not OO/LO.

I recommend backing up to a general file type simply because it's less likely to open in the offending application by default, if the user ever needs to access it.

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38. Beijinger ◴[] No.45041318[source]
Softmaker (Freeoffice) is much snappier. But I stopped using (buying!) it, after they refused to support LanguageTool.
39. Beijinger ◴[] No.45041342{3}[source]
If you need CMYK for production, I would be scared of Gimp.
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40. gchamonlive ◴[] No.45041839{4}[source]
Not OP, but if I was installing Linux for the first time I'd either go with pop_os (not sure if it's as good anymore as last time I checked it, a couples years ago) or kubuntu, because KDE is a bit more familiar to windows users.
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41. tiahura ◴[] No.45041901[source]
All of that compute can’t compensate for the fact that starlibreopenoffice is atrocious. Big corps have been looking for ways to migrate for decades but fail because it’s so abysmal.
42. trelane ◴[] No.45042046{3}[source]
> the vendors of that hardware range from indifferent to actively hostile to Linux

Not all. System76, Framework, and others come to mind.

But yes, for the most part, hardware is designed for Windows and only works on Linux despite the vendor, rather than due to them.

43. trelane ◴[] No.45042083[source]
Their point was that the dongle's proprietary firmware was buggy. The controllers just triggered the problem.
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44. leptons ◴[] No.45042229[source]
Same here. Work requires I use Windows or Mac, but I've switched most of my home systems over to Mint Linux. The final nail in the coffin for Microsoft for me was when I upgraded my CPU in my desktop, the MS Office liscense I paid for stopped working and they wanted me to pay another few hundred dollars for another liscence. I mainly only used Office for Outlook as I have 30 years of emails in Outlook, but I switched over to Firebird on Linux and have not looked back. The AI stuff going on with Windows is definitely a big part of me wanting to switch too. I do not want what Microsoft is selling anymore.
45. leptons ◴[] No.45042244{3}[source]
I will second Mint Linux as a recent ex-Windows user. It's been working well for about a year now and I have no desire to go back.
46. leptons ◴[] No.45042278{4}[source]
I used to use Ubuntu but abandoned it when they moved to "snap". I'm not the most proficient user of Linux, but it was quickly clear that something was really wrong with new versions of Ubuntu. Mint Linux has been working well for me.
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47. LeFantome ◴[] No.45042279{4}[source]
Not arguing. It is getting close though.
48. craftkiller ◴[] No.45042296{3}[source]
Where are you getting that from? I see no mention of dongles or firmware in the comment I replied to.
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49. graemep ◴[] No.45042315{5}[source]
One comment says LibreOffice may have fixed the issue.

it looks like the cause is a shutdown without flushing buffers so a file is not properly saved. Backups of any file type should be OK.

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50. fzeroracer ◴[] No.45042419{3}[source]
I ended up going with Nobara which is a Fedora-based distro focused around gaming, so it automates and deals with the typical driver issues and proton setup. Ended up being perfect for everything I need.
51. 0xffff2 ◴[] No.45042557[source]
Meanwhile, I just tried 3 different flavors of Fedora last week and could not even get to the point where I could log in reliably. Never mind getting the handful of Windows-only apps I still rely on to work. I'm despairing that I may have to let Windows update itself to Win11 while I wait for my next hardware upgrade cycle to roll around so I can try to pick more compatible hardware.

If anyone has any recommendations for how to pick desktop components that will "just work" with Linux I'd love to hear them.

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52. crinkly ◴[] No.45042747{3}[source]
I have a colour cal 5k display. That’s not streamable in any sensible way. Nor do I want the latency or interface disparity.
53. autoexec ◴[] No.45042792{3}[source]
People should realize that everything they do in Windows is being spied on. There's no point in fighting against a user-hostile OS where every setting you use to try to protect yourself can be removed or toggled with the next forced update.
54. neobrain ◴[] No.45042819[source]
> If anyone has any recommendations for how to pick hardware that will "just work" with Linux I'd love to hear them.

Some vendors sell hardware with Linux preinstalled or specifically tested (besides the obvious ones like System76/Framework/Tuxedo, Dell provides an XPS flavor that comes with Ubuntu). You don't need to actually use the preinstalled distro, but buying such models ensures baseline support is solid and it sends a signal to vendors to continue ensuring so.

Then there's Apple's M1/M2 lineup, which provides the smoothest Linux experience you can have today (specific hardware features are not supported yet, the rest works extremely well!).

Other than that, the Arch wiki is typically a good resource that lists quirks of individual devices with Linux.

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55. trelane ◴[] No.45043274{4}[source]
Oh. I thought you were replying to a sibling comment, sorry.

Sibling:

> there is a nuanced situation with some Realtek (RTL8671B) bluetooth firmware on Linux that is 'solved' by downgrading firmware version

56. trelane ◴[] No.45043317{4}[source]
Only if you buy a Windows laptop and slap Linux on it.

Or is OSX bad because you can't put it on some random laptop off Amazon?

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57. trelane ◴[] No.45043343{3}[source]
At this point, I'm skeptical of any laptop that wasn't specifically designed for Linux.

I have very real doubts that any laptop can support both Linux and Windows well.

> specific hardware features are not supported yet, the rest works extremely well

I would not describe this as "working well," let alone the "smoothest Linux experience you can have today"

Especially compared to System76, which designs their laptops for Linux, customized the firmware for Linux, and ships with Linux already installed.

58. ActionHank ◴[] No.45043390{4}[source]
I helped her get started with endeavourOS.

She has me for tech support though and she’s a dev which helps.

I would go with popOS or Ubuntu if the tech support isn’t an option.

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59. olyjohn ◴[] No.45043468{5}[source]
I don't think the Snap authors ever used Snap packages. The barrage of update notifications, to close my software constantly... that was super frustrating. All I had installed for snaps was Firefox and Discord. Imagine having a 20+ snap applications installed. What a notification nightmare.
60. florisuga ◴[] No.45043588{3}[source]
Those applications may work for some, but they are no replacements for Lightroom in my opinion. My Lightroom 4 installation from 2012 (I never upgraded after Adobe went all in on subscriptions and cloud) still beats the latest Darktable/Ansel versions, hands down. The only things I'm missing are a CLI for automation and a few features that RawTherapee has, like switching to a view of one color channel with a single key. Other than that, Adobe somehow got it incredibly right in terms of workflow and features back then. Using the software feels like it was made for photographers, rather than software enthusiasts.

Still, I'm in the same boat as many who wish they could migrate their decades' worth of photos with all their adjustments to a FOSS alternative. For me too, Lightroom is the last application that keeps me from dumping Windows for good. It already lives in a Windows VM on a Linux host these days.

61. 0xffff2 ◴[] No.45043623{3}[source]
I guess I should have clarified, my only personal (i.e. not work supplied) computer is a mid-tower desktop, which I'm absolutely not buying pre-built. More looking for how I can tell if e.g. a specific motherboard is going to play nice with Linux or not.
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62. mhitza ◴[] No.45043916[source]
I wonder what issues you've seen (error messages), and what hardware you're using. Fedora has been my goto distribution for more than 15 years. And aside from Nvidia, and Gnome, causing me trouble, it worked great[1]. Though I always install the Xfce spin.

For your Windows applications you can try to use winapps (windows vm behind the scenes, but tucked away from view) https://github.com/Fmstrat/winapps

[1] never update to the latest Fedora version, at least until a couple of months after release. If you don't want to be a beta tester. Yes sometimes they don't a good job with SELinux policies and you'll be dealing with annoying popup notifications from time to time. And yes, if you're using full disk encryption (via LUKS) you really want to enable some flags which Cloudflare engineering contributed back (but are not the defaults), otherwise stuttery desktop behaviour is possible.

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63. anal_reactor ◴[] No.45044152{3}[source]
That's completely true, but from the point of view of a user who just wants a working system, also completely irrelevant. If I were to recommend Linux to my mom she wouldn't care why exactly her computer doesn't work correctly, she only cares about the fact that it worked on Windows and doesn't work on Linux.

I hope that as Valve pushes people into gaming on Linux, things will slowly change.

64. neobrain ◴[] No.45044301{4}[source]
Oh, that's much simpler. Just buy AMD :)

More seriously, it's only the motherboard and the GPU that can be problematic here in the first place, isn't it? So that's far more manageable using websearch than laptops with their gazillion components. But then again I've only built a new PC once these last 10 years, so maybe I was just very lucky with my choice.

65. rossant ◴[] No.45045631[source]
Love Linux. Finally moved over it more than 10y ago and never looked back.

Still a few minor issues though. Sleep doesn't work well with Ubuntu on a desktop PC with an Nvidia card. It frequently wakes up immediately, or the screen remains black upon wake up. And sometimes it just works. Same problem on different PCs.

Just a minor annoyance though. I love Linux. On a recent computer everything is so fast and snappy compared to Windows or even macOS.

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66. yencabulator ◴[] No.45045871[source]
Don't blame Nvidia's bad behavior on Linux.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/06/linus...

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67. bpye ◴[] No.45046654{3}[source]
That’s an ancient article - Nvidia have since open sourced their kernel mode drivers - https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules

Yes the user mode side is still closed, but that was never really the issue.

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68. bpye ◴[] No.45046671[source]
Running them in a Windows VM with an attached GPU works great, I suspect you could use something like Looking Glass [0] as well - though I’d be nervous about colour profiles.

[0] - https://looking-glass.io/

69. bpye ◴[] No.45046685{3}[source]
Looking glass is another option, which uses shared memory [0].

I just have my two monitors hooked up to both my iGPU and dedicated GPU, and switch inputs if I want to use my Windows VM. It means things like colour profiles and VRR work as expected too.

[0] - https://looking-glass.io/

70. yencabulator ◴[] No.45046723{4}[source]
That's not enough to make them be a nice member of the ecosystem. The bar is that the manufacturer submits changes to mainline kernel.

Actually, look at those commits! That repository is ridiculous. It's code thrown over the wall. Nobody but NVidia will ever work on that code.

71. EasyMark ◴[] No.45048348[source]
Yeah I get tired of them trying to suck every bit of data and work that you do into the cloud so they can hoodwink you later with licensing fees and to train their AI. The last straw for me was their "we want to constantly snap shot your screen and index, oh and -wink- it's for your own good, so we'll enable it automatically for you!" I was done at that point and deleted it off my last PC with windows and put Ubuntu on it. I have Mac version of Office that's good enough for now.
72. EasyMark ◴[] No.45048366[source]
Your best bet is to get a brand that is well known to run Linux if you want it bad enough to get a new laptop. Dell business line, lenovo thinkpad, framework, system76 are all good platforms. If it's not working on your old laptop it's probably only one or two drivers, and you should probably try running with debian, endeavour, ubuntu and a few flavors that might have the driver you need working.
73. brewdad ◴[] No.45048559{5}[source]
Pop and Linux Mint are both solid options for newcomers. Personally, I think LM looks better out of the box but Pop is a little easier to grok coming from Windows. Not much of a difference either way though.
74. brewdad ◴[] No.45048572{3}[source]
I have a few Excel sheets loaded with legacy macros that Libre can't quite handle. If I didn't need to deal with those sheets that aren't really under my control to rewrite I could probably get off Windows for good.
75. brewdad ◴[] No.45048601{3}[source]
My son hit a showstopper bug with Mac this week where it won't recognize and handle Yubikey 2FA. If anyone has a reliable workaround, I'd love to hear it so he can get off Windows for good.

M3 Macbook Air if it matters.

76. mikrotikker ◴[] No.45049199{5}[source]
Wife is not technical at all. Put her on Ubuntu when she freaked out about her windows 7 PC updating automatically to windows 10. She been on it ever since.
77. akimbostrawman ◴[] No.45050913[source]
>well for games outside ones that have kernel level rootkits

I wish people would stop bringing this up which has not been true for years. Around 40-50% of kernel level anti cheats work and are supported (in user space).

https://areweanticheatyet.com/

78. tombert ◴[] No.45053184{5}[source]
I didn't really assign labels of "good" or "bad"; in this case that's a matter of philosophy that I am wholly uninterested in.

I specifically said that I had so-so luck getting Linux working with non-AMD stuff, and regardless of who is ultimately to blame it's still something I had to deal with.

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79. 0xffff2 ◴[] No.45055138{3}[source]
I don't think I ever saw an actual error message, just a lot of black screens in various configurations (e.g. switching KVM between machines, waking up from sleep) and lots of weird little glitches in Wayland. I know that my Nvidia 3090 needs to be swapped for an AMD GPU, but I'm not totally convinced that that will solve everything. Particularly the black screen on wake from sleep seems like it could/should be a mobo issue.
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80. trelane ◴[] No.45055442{6}[source]
> had so-so luck getting Linux working with non-AMD stuff, and regardless of who is ultimately to blame it's still something I had to deal with.

Did you buy the laptop with the intention of running Linux on it?

Did it ship with Linux preinstalled?

Did the vendor support Linux running on that computer? Like, could you call them and get them to provide you help in the case of problems?

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81. mhitza ◴[] No.45056736{4}[source]
I would recommend giving Xfce spin a try for comparison, and when encountering similar issues logging in a separate tty (ctrl-alt-F2 to F12) to check the logs for issues. (journalctl --boot=0, for current boot and journalctl --boot=-1, for previous boot, in case of crashes).
82. tombert ◴[] No.45057622{7}[source]
It wasn't a laptop, it was a tiny gaming box. I did buy it with the intention of running Linux on it, and it actually worked great with the vanilla setup with the AMD CPU + GPU. I did do research before I bought it to make sure the drivers should work.

I already had an Nvidia GPU and an eGPU case that I had bought for previous projects with AI (on Linux, but headless). I wanted to use it to play some games that are a bit too intense for the little gaming box (specifically the System Shock remake from 2023).

It's mentioned in the blog post, but getting the eGPU case and getting Nvidia stuff working with regular Gnome wasn't too bad on Linux, only took a few hours. The biggest issue was that I wanted to use the SteamOS interface and that was completely corrupted with the stable Nvidia driver. I had to move to the beta driver and it's still a little broken, but usable. The games themselves work fine.

I also had a lot of issues with audio getting increasingly scratchy as I played, to a point of being completely unusable after about an hour, and that required a lot of trial and error but eventually I was able to search my way through NixOS docs and figure it out.

The card was already two years old so I doubt I could have gotten much support from it, and I am even more skeptical that Nvidia's tech support would have known how to do anything with NixOS.

83. underlipton ◴[] No.45067818{6}[source]
It does, but I also found forum posts discussing similar issues with LO back when I had the original issue. I won't risk it; I would rather use applications without a hint of these problems. I've also dropped Evernote after it ate a few of my notes. It's almost impossible to get that user trust back without excising every bit of the concern, and then some, and unfortunately, the LO development community (like many FOSS communities, as well as many proprietary developers) is too self-involved to do that sort of thing.
84. laserDinosaur ◴[] No.45074875[source]
Do you have a Gigabyte motherboard (perhaps a B550) by chance?
85. rkagerer ◴[] No.45100020[source]
Anyone successfully running Solidworks on Linux these days? That's one of the reasons holding me back. Might need to get an extra GPU and passthrough to a Win VM?
86. gregoryl ◴[] No.45133163{5}[source]
Totally agree for non-technical users. For anyone technical, and willing to suffer a little bit, go with Arch. The docs are incredible, and you end up with a much better understanding of how everything hangs together.