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Etheryte ◴[] No.45010574[source]
One starts to wonder, at what point might it be actually feasible to do it the other way around, by whitelisting IP ranges. I could see this happening as a community effort, similar to adblocker list curation etc.
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bobbiechen ◴[] No.45010611[source]
Unfortunately, well-behaved bots often have more stable IPs, while bad actors are happy to use residential proxies. If you ban a residential proxy IP you're likely to impact real users while the bad actor simply switches. Personally I don't think IP level network information will ever be effective without combining with other factors.

Source: stopping attacks that involve thousands of IPs at my work.

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BLKNSLVR ◴[] No.45011308[source]
Blocking a residential proxy doesn't sound like a bad idea to me.

My single-layer thought process:

If they're knowingly running a residential proxy then they'll likely know "the cost of doing business". If they're unknowingly running a residential proxy then blocking them might be a good way for them to find out they're unknowingly running a residential proxy and get their systems deloused.

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immibis ◴[] No.45014071{3}[source]
Let's suppose I'm running a residential proxy. Of course my home IP address changes every day, so you'll end up blocking my entire ISP (a major one) or city (a major one) one by one.

And what if I'm behind CGNAT? You will block my entire ISP or city all in one go, and get complaints from a lot of people.

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Arnavion ◴[] No.45014457{4}[source]
If enough websites block the entire ISP / city in this way, *and* enough users get annoyed by being blocked and switch ISPs, then the ISPs will be motivated to stay in business and police their customers' traffic harder.

Alas, the "enough users get annoyed by being blocked and switch ISPs" step will never happen. Most users only care about the big web properties, and those have the resources to absorb such crawler traffic so they won't get in on the ISP-blocking scheme.

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renewiltord ◴[] No.45018689{5}[source]
Indeed. This is why it was important that "net neutrality" not be the law. ISPs need the power to police their user traffic.
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1. Arnavion ◴[] No.45018822{6}[source]
It doesn't have anything to do with net neutrality. It's simply a matter of responding to abuse complaints seriously.