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klipklop ◴[] No.45010448[source]
The game Alpha Centauri had the most hard hitting quote that I think applies now.

"As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny...Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. Commissioner Pravin Lal, 'U.N. Declaration of Rights' "

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awesome_dude[dead post] ◴[] No.45010558[source]
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cobbzilla ◴[] No.45010633[source]
The above acts either carry no intrinsic information content and/or very few people apart of free-speech absolutists would be OK with them. They’re not evocative of the controversy at hand, and I can’t find anyone defending them.

Perhaps more appropriate:

* Instructions for making an illegal firearm

* Unpopular political opinions

* Instructions for engaging in illicit speech without detection

* Silently standing still with head bowed and hands folded in public

* Using a VPN

* Holding a sign at a protest

There are probably many more examples like the above, which would engender a more nuanced discussion.

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JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.45010670[source]
> above acts either carry no intrinsic information content

This is an exercise in censorship, in a sense. So is blocking spam.

OP’s point stands. Information flow requires regulation in any society. I’ve been something of a free-speech absolutist most of my life, but I’m strongly re-thinking that after seeing Europe and America fall to what can only be described as populist stupidity.

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1. DrSiemer ◴[] No.45010781[source]
You can't stop online stupidity and misinformation with censorship. It would at best create an echo chamber of government supported online stupidity and misinformation.
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2. JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.45010814[source]
> You can't stop online stupidity and misinformation with censorship

Shame and ostracisation handled this through antiquity. There is no evidence introducing those elements online cannot work.

> would at best create an echo chamber of government supported online stupidity and misinformation

But that’s what we got anyway.

It’s just as clearly the case that a lack of regulation amplifies people willing to be stupid online. Taking that amplification away takes us back, per your worst case, to what we have now.

3. raffraffraff ◴[] No.45011120[source]
I mean, we already have that. And you're right. But in fact, misinformation and stupidity are already baked into the social media moderator's handbook, and the filters in their moderation tools. Disagreeing with them will get you banned in noisy online platforms.
4. awesome_dude ◴[] No.45011430[source]
Laws don't stop things, they provide a mechanism where conduct that matches what is described in the law is punished as described by that law.

The hope is that the punishment proscribed by the law is enough to make people think again before breaking it, and, if the law involves depravation of liberty (jail), that people who do break it are removed from society for a limited amount of time to prevent them further transgressing.

This is civics 101, honestly, anyone that's a student of history understands that laws are created because all other forms of preventing what society agrees to be bad behaviour have failed.

Laws, therefore, are the last resort, because everything else has failed.

Edit: I just want to add (here, because it's too late to edit my original comment) that someone /flagged/ my comment that disagreed about there being a thing where speech/information flows completely uninhibited - hilariously proving my point :-)