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    803 points csmantle | 14 comments | 13 Jul 25 08:38 UTC | HN request time: 1.59s | source | bottom
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    jurgenaut23 ◴[13 Jul 25 09:41 UTC] No.44548891[source]▶
    I think it’s fascinating how languages shape our society. In this case, the ambiguity between free as in “at no cost” and free as in “freedom” is probably hurting the FOSS landscape. In French, there are two very distinct terms for this: “gratuit” vs “libre”. And it doesn’t sound as an oxymoron to pay for a “logiciel libre”.
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    1. triska ◴[13 Jul 25 09:59 UTC] No.44548988[source]▶
    On the other hand, how come that the desired connotation is not the immediately prevailing one in the land of the free which is not the land of no cost.
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    2. awestroke ◴[13 Jul 25 10:05 UTC] No.44549020[source]▶
    Nobody thinks of it as "land of the free" nowadays
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    3. latexr ◴[13 Jul 25 10:08 UTC] No.44549040[source]▶
    > in the land of the free which is not the land of no cost.

    Maybe it is exactly what that means, and we’ve just been interpreting it wrong all this time.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AtK_YsVInw8

    > Free installation. Free admission, free appraisal, free alterations, free delivery, free estimates, free home trial, and free parking.

    4. ◴[13 Jul 25 10:10 UTC] No.44549054[source]▶
    5. awstruck ◴[13 Jul 25 10:13 UTC] No.44549073[source]▶
    > Nobody thinks of it as "land of the free" nowadays

    I feel like it is, but it’s not headed that way, though neither is the world:

    https://github.com/t3dotgg/SnitchBench/blob/main/snitching-a...

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    6. edoceo ◴[13 Jul 25 10:18 UTC] No.44549102[source]▶
    I do. Bit of a rough patch at the moment tho.
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    7. immibis ◴[13 Jul 25 10:30 UTC] No.44549171{3}[source]▶
    Consider re-evaluating your beliefs.

    The more someone has to tell you that you're free, the less you actually are. C.f. North Korea.

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    8. HappMacDonald ◴[13 Jul 25 11:05 UTC] No.44549400[source]▶
    Freedom isn't Free. There's a hefty fuckin' fee
    9. photonthug ◴[13 Jul 25 11:05 UTC] No.44549401{3}[source]▶
    Well, the prompts used in testing ( https://github.com/t3dotgg/SnitchBench/tree/main/prompts) are pretty serious and basically about covering up public health disasters with lobbyists, so I'm not sure this is the kind of freedom you might want.

    Still, the contacted_media field in the JSON is pretty funny, since I assume it's misfiring at a rate of several thousand of time daily. I can only imagine being on the receiving end of that at propublica and wapo. That bitch Katie was eyeballing Susie again at recess and she hates her so much? Straight to investigations@nytimes

    10. latexr ◴[13 Jul 25 11:16 UTC] No.44549443{3}[source]▶
    > though neither is the world

    That doesn’t excuse or justify it. And the reason the world is headed that way is in large part because of the US doing it. Clearly it was a mistake to trust one country to do the right thing. When they proclaimed themselves “leaders of the free world”, the rest of the free world should’ve raised an objection. Worse still, the US is so high on their own supply they believe they’re the best at everything, despite ample evidence to the contrary, which breeds stupidity and arrogance in a vicious cycle. And like every other junk produced in the US, they’re exporting that attitude too.

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    11. layer8 ◴[13 Jul 25 11:29 UTC] No.44549499{3}[source]▶
    It has become quite a stretch.
    12. GLdRH ◴[13 Jul 25 11:45 UTC] No.44549609{4}[source]▶
    That has been true for a long time, even when liberals were happier with american policy.
    13. edoceo ◴[13 Jul 25 16:20 UTC] No.44551487{4}[source]▶
    I will not reconsider. I will work to make my belief reality.
    14. bigstrat2003 ◴[13 Jul 25 23:32 UTC] No.44554777{4}[source]▶
    If that was true, the US wouldn't have been free for almost its entire existence. Our national anthem, the lyrics to which are over 200 years old, call the nation "the land of the free". I doubt you would claim that the US has in fact been a tyranny for that entire time, so your metric must therefore be flawed.