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724 points simonw | 29 comments | 11 Jul 25 00:22 UTC | HN request time: 3.386s | source | bottom
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marcusb ◴[11 Jul 25 01:22 UTC] No.44527530[source]▶
This reminds me in a way of the old Noam Chomsky/Tucker Carlson exchange where Chomsky says to Carlson:

  "I’m sure you believe everything you’re saying. But what I’m saying is that if you believed something different, you wouldn’t be sitting where you’re sitting."
Simon may well be right - xAI might not have directly instructed Grok to check what the boss thinks before responding - but that's not to say xAI wouldn't be more likely to release a model that does agree with the boss a lot and privileges what he has said when reasoning.
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dupsik ◴[11 Jul 25 05:37 UTC] No.44528706[source]▶
That quote was not from a conversation with Tucker Carlson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nBx-37c3c8
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1. ZeroGravitas ◴[11 Jul 25 06:35 UTC] No.44528982[source]▶
Interestingly, someone said the same about Tucker Carlson's position on Fox News and it was Tucker Carlson, a few years before he got the job.

https://youtu.be/RNineSEoxjQ?t=7m50s

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2. LAC-Tech ◴[11 Jul 25 08:48 UTC] No.44529793[source]▶
Wasn't Tucker Carlson essentially kicked off of Fox for believing something different?
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3. indolering ◴[11 Jul 25 10:34 UTC] No.44530572[source]▶
He was kicked off for being a sex pest and knowingly pushing the election lies internally at Fox News.
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4. sjsdaiuasgdia ◴[11 Jul 25 10:35 UTC] No.44530575[source]▶
There was the $787M lawsuit settlement Fox agreed to because of Carlson's content. That probably had a bit more to do with it.
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5. MangoToupe ◴[11 Jul 25 11:32 UTC] No.44530953[source]▶
Carlson is essentially a performer. He has publicly said so many contradictory things I'm not sure why it matters what he thinks at any given point in time.
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6. jxjnskkzxxhx ◴[11 Jul 25 11:46 UTC] No.44531049[source]▶
Thus proving the point. The moment he went against the talking points he got fired.
7. tim333 ◴[11 Jul 25 12:06 UTC] No.44531187[source]▶
Well, Tucker was saying Bill O'Reilly was faking it as an everyman when really a millionaire right winger.
8. tim333 ◴[11 Jul 25 12:08 UTC] No.44531206{3}[source]▶
It's kind of part of the same thing. He said stuff Murdoch didn't like so he was gone. Whether he believed it or not is hard to tell.
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9. dumah ◴[11 Jul 25 13:00 UTC] No.44531629{4}[source]▶
No, he finally said something that cost Murdoch money instead of making him money.
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10. sjsdaiuasgdia ◴[11 Jul 25 13:05 UTC] No.44531691{5}[source]▶
Exactly. They were totally fine with Carlson's content until it cost them a significant amount of money.
11. isleyaardvark ◴[11 Jul 25 13:38 UTC] No.44532002{4}[source]▶
Did he say something different after the $787 million judgement? Because the whole reason that judgement came down is because Murdoch was fine with what Carlson was saying.
12. Der_Einzige ◴[11 Jul 25 15:13 UTC] No.44533088{3}[source]▶
I still love when Putin just drops his Kompromot on Tucker right on his head during the interview. "We know you tried to join the CIA and we know they wouldn't take you :)"
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13. nwienert ◴[11 Jul 25 15:24 UTC] No.44533215{3}[source]▶
He’s changed opinions over time and admitted it, but been consistent for the last handful of years.
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14. ZeroGravitas ◴[11 Jul 25 15:37 UTC] No.44533384{4}[source]▶
Part of the lawsuit is that he and the other Fox hosts were texting each other and mocking the lies they were saying on air as obvious nonsense.
15. lesuorac ◴[11 Jul 25 16:23 UTC] No.44534044{3}[source]▶
The Dominion lawsuit was Hannity [1] not Carlson.

Carlson is much smarter and lets his guests actually make wild accusations while Carlson is "just asking questions".

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Hannity#2020_election

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16. DesiLurker ◴[11 Jul 25 17:41 UTC] No.44535006{3}[source]▶
I am convinced that the whole 'sexual abuse' thing is very common in upper echelons and make for a convenient excuse to take down someone now towing the line.

I almost always look for 'root cause' when I hear a sexual abuse scandle taking down someone in power.

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17. cosmicgadget ◴[11 Jul 25 20:49 UTC] No.44536657{4}[source]▶
I wonder if there is a timeline where Tucker responds, "Actually, they did" and then assassinates Putin with his bare hands.
18. dgeiser13 ◴[11 Jul 25 22:18 UTC] No.44537325{4}[source]▶
You said Carlson twice.
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19. lesuorac ◴[11 Jul 25 22:56 UTC] No.44537618{5}[source]▶
Now, I've said Carlson thrice!

Oh no! He's going to appear behind me.

20. MangoToupe ◴[11 Jul 25 23:29 UTC] No.44537862{4}[source]▶
I'm not sure what you're trying to defend, but if you are asking me to admit that tucker carlson is consistent, you'll have to wait a few decades.
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21. msgodel ◴[11 Jul 25 23:45 UTC] No.44537954{4}[source]▶
I wish people would shut up about it. It's gotten to the point where normal peers can hardly even talk about sex without being afraid of getting in trouble.

Flirting with coworkers is fine, natural even. Calm down or become a shut in and leave the rest of us alone.

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22. nwienert ◴[12 Jul 25 01:17 UTC] No.44538460{5}[source]▶
I’m all for disliking him if that’s your thing, but the argument that he’s inconsistent isn’t true unless you’re going back nearly a decade, in which case most people are.
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23. medler ◴[12 Jul 25 03:51 UTC] No.44539139{5}[source]▶
I go to work to work, not to hear about other people’s sex lives. Save that kind of talk for your friends, or talk to your mom about it, but don’t involve me. I shouldn’t have to hear about it just because we both work on the same widget.

By the way, Carlson did a lot more than flirt. He allegedly retaliated against an employee for rejecting his advances. That’s horrible.

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24. MangoToupe ◴[12 Jul 25 07:26 UTC] No.44540038{6}[source]▶
I said what I said. If you're tuning into Carlson expecting consistency, expect a bad time.
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25. DesiLurker ◴[12 Jul 25 17:41 UTC] No.44543635{6}[source]▶
I agree it is horrible but the point I am making is this type of stuff is more common than we'd think. So almost anyone with power would have some 'skeletons in the closet'.

think about it, we lost al franken as senator but still have DJT as president (& many more if you think DJT is unstoppable).

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26. nwienert ◴[13 Jul 25 05:10 UTC] No.44547704{7}[source]▶
The only way you’d know is by tuning into him, right? So do you listen to him often?
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28. Eggpants ◴[14 Jul 25 20:01 UTC] No.44564587{8}[source]▶
Wow. A Tucker simp on hacker news, didn’t have that on my bingo card.
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29. nwienert ◴[15 Jul 25 00:10 UTC] No.44566640{9}[source]▶
I don’t like him, only argued he’s relatively consistent.

Funny how people can’t help but think you support someone just because you’d prefer they argue from facts.